I've had this conversation before, about where the demon-control stuff comes from: all the Catholic material on the show is basically pre-Vatican II, not because the writers are all old farts or Mel Gibson, but because The Exorcist performs Catholicism in a pre-II manner

Huh. That is a very good point, and one I'd never really thought about. But a lot of the horror genre toolkit for black magic comes from pre-Vatican II. When it's not bastardizing Voudon, that is.

I adore the idea of Dean being conceived in the Impala.

Two-doors had a split front seat back, so you could tip it to crawl into the back seat. Four-doors...dunno. Plei?

Kripke did say early on (half-S1, maybe?) that they intended to hew to the urban legends, and had researched several seasons' worth. After S2 veered into theological, emotional, and psychological territory, he said more recently (end of S2) that they wanted to get back to less character-driven, more-action plots, and the 200-odd demons escaped from hell's gate would provide ample occasion for that. I don't think S3 will be as heavy on urban legend, because you've got demonic forces at work. Kripke was quoted as saying rock salt wouldn't be effective with what they're dealing with this season, but they'd be stocking up on holy water.

I think that JA said something similar about holy water (at Comicon, maybe.)

If they are the ones to finally use the holy water pistols they will win. Just win.

Super-soakers!!!

I've been waiting for that.

Xander would be bitter.

Holy water pistols would be SO Dean. Someone call Kripke, please.

Two-doors had a split front seat back, so you could tip it to crawl into the back seat. Four-doors...dunno. Plei?

I'd have to check. Yes, that's one of the reasons I own the manual, but it's in the other room. (I'm WAH right now. Hahaha.)

OMG timed out and it ate my post.

I squick with the sexualized violence...

I feel like there is still confusion/conflation going on with sexual violence, violent sex, and sexualized violence. I'm going to define them as I understand them with fannish examples. Austin, I grabbed your quote merely as representative. (I am highly wary of going here, but I will.)

Sexual violence - Attempted, threatened, or actual sexual assault. Sam in BUaBS. Seeing Red. Nonconsensual.

Violent sex - Does not have to be sexual violence. Can be consensual, even if it's deeply fucked up. See: Buffy and Spike sexing the house down. (I would personally also put Angel and Darla in this category, since they are canonical physical equals and I would argue that she gets off on Angel's violence since she sees it as a sign of him turning to the dark side.)

Sexualized violence - Does not have to involve sexual acts. At all. It involves largely how the violence is presented to the viewer. "Torture porn" is the extreme end of it. Less extreme is the near-drowning of Amy Acker's character in Dead in the Water. Frequently involves long, loving shots of dripping blood, injured scantily clad women or, notably, their parts.

These things can and do overlap, but they are not the same thing.

I hope that makes sense.

It makes sense to me!

But I'm also coming from beating my head against comic books again for a couple of years, and having to explain these things over and over, myself.