Two-doors had a split front seat back, so you could tip it to crawl into the back seat. Four-doors...dunno. Plei?

I'd have to check. Yes, that's one of the reasons I own the manual, but it's in the other room. (I'm WAH right now. Hahaha.)

OMG timed out and it ate my post.

I squick with the sexualized violence...

I feel like there is still confusion/conflation going on with sexual violence, violent sex, and sexualized violence. I'm going to define them as I understand them with fannish examples. Austin, I grabbed your quote merely as representative. (I am highly wary of going here, but I will.)

Sexual violence - Attempted, threatened, or actual sexual assault. Sam in BUaBS. Seeing Red. Nonconsensual.

Violent sex - Does not have to be sexual violence. Can be consensual, even if it's deeply fucked up. See: Buffy and Spike sexing the house down. (I would personally also put Angel and Darla in this category, since they are canonical physical equals and I would argue that she gets off on Angel's violence since she sees it as a sign of him turning to the dark side.)

Sexualized violence - Does not have to involve sexual acts. At all. It involves largely how the violence is presented to the viewer. "Torture porn" is the extreme end of it. Less extreme is the near-drowning of Amy Acker's character in Dead in the Water. Frequently involves long, loving shots of dripping blood, injured scantily clad women or, notably, their parts.

These things can and do overlap, but they are not the same thing.

I hope that makes sense.

It makes sense to me!

But I'm also coming from beating my head against comic books again for a couple of years, and having to explain these things over and over, myself.

That's a perfect set of definitions, smonster.

So, she asks again, the vid is pointing out sexualized violence? If so, I'ma stop making the "who gets killed/menaced by what" list and make a "what clips I would take out because I don't think they fit" list.

(Probably just for my own edification, because I'm the odd one out here and I'm ok with that.)

But I'm also coming from beating my head against comic books again for a couple of years, and having to explain these things over and over, myself.

Oh, comics. Talk about pleasure mixed with pain. I'm sort of glad I'm not deep into the DC. I'ma stick to Runaways and Buffy s8.

It completely makes sense to me. But I'm also coming from decades in the horror genre.

smonster, your list makes total sense to me.

I still need to watch that freakin' vid.

Austin, I grabbed your quote merely as representative.

I think you were right to use it. I was interchanging the terms incorrectly. I would agree with your definitions. I do think that that particular Darla/Angel scene was maybe violent sex in theory, but was sexualized violence in application. Showing a beautiful, young, human-looking woman being thrown through glass and enjoying it as foreplay (despite knowing she is a vampire and could handle it), strikes me as the latter. She was filmed in beautiful young woman mode, not vampire demon mode. I love the show, that scene just always bothered me.

And talking about the impala's bench seats takes me to a completely different place. One of good and right and true sex. It is the land of happy.

Well, I certainly didn't create the vid, and I've only watched it twice. So this is IMHO, cutting and pasting from upthread:

Here's a breakdown of tropes I see in the vid:

• Evil women, with or without a sexual component to their evilness (Woman in White, Crossroads demon, Meg)

I'd have to watch it again to see if I think sexual violence should be added to that list.

Glad the definitions seem clear to people who aren't in my head.

that particular Darla/Angel scene was maybe violent sex in theory, but was sexualized violence in application.

I think this is a good example of overlapping areas - sexualized violence and violent sex. I would still say not sexual violence, but even that could be debated. Excellent point that Darla was filmed in woman mode, not vampire mode. Now I want to rewatch that scene and pay attention to the camera angles and such.

Wow. I haven't posted this prolifically on Buffistas in YEARS. Wow.

eta - and I've killed the thread. FTW!

etaa - juliana, looking forward to hearing your reaction on the vid. i think you'll like it, for values of like that include "deeply disturbed."