I'm confused as to why we are having this discussion instead of just going ahead and doing what was proposed and planning the F2F.

Thank you, Perkins! The proposal, as well-meaning as it was, was toothless. There is absolutely nothing we'd be doing differently had it gotten enough votes, other than pointing to it and saying "hey, we ought to get moving on choosing a location and dates!" So let's do that.

(I hope Pix doesn't take this as a criticism. I was for the proposal; sometimes cats need a little shove to get herded)

I don't think anyone is kerfuffling (yet). And it's fortunate, certainly, that this particular proposal doesn't involve immediate action, so we can certainly carry on without.

We (collectively) were pretty adamant that we follow the process we laid out when it came to the quorum question. And I agree! But the fact that the opening of Lightbulbs wasn't announced in Press per the process strikes me as potentially related to the lack of a quorum.

I'm going to say not that we necessarily need to revote, though it would be my inclination. But at the very least I don't think the moratorium applies.

I think that that we should proceed through this year's F2F process, then, no sooner than, say, February (so that the holiday stuff is pretty well done), allow the question of when/how to organize the F2F be re-addressed, if someone wishes. That can be a motion if we want.

I agree that there are a number of issues worth discussing surrounding process. However, I think that if we hash them out now, it will further delay and derail the F2F process, which the whole point of the thing was to get going.

Ditto Debet.

I know Pix put a lot of energy into herding the cats last year. I appreciate her actions and those of others who make the F2F happen. I'd rather not have a kerfuffle over her attempts this year to streamline the process. As Perkins says, I'd rather see this energy go towards actually planning the F2F.

DITTO.

Perhaps an announcement was forgotten, but if you read the post Jon linked to regarding the vote, it wasn't part of the vote on the discussion and voting.

I know Pix put a lot of energy into herding the cats last year. I appreciate her actions and those of others who make the F2F happen. I'd rather not have a kerfuffle over her attempts this year to streamline the process. As Perkins says, I'd rather see this energy go towards actually planning the F2F.

Thank you. And yes, this please. Seriously, my purpose was to put a system in place to ensure that we get a F2F vote early enough to ensure more people have time to save/plan to come. I see no reason why we can't do it unofficially this year. As I said, I will re-propose in six months for future gatherings. Also, I didn't realize that it was my job to post in Press (I thought that was part of the Stompy process), so that's my bad. No harm, no foul. Truly. No reason we can't move forward as far as I'm concerned.

The proposal, as well-meaning as it was, was toothless. There is absolutely nothing we'd be doing differently had it gotten enough votes, other than pointing to it and saying "hey, we ought to get moving on choosing a location and dates!" So let's do that.

(I hope Pix doesn't take this as a criticism. I was for the proposal; sometimes cats need a little shove to get herded)

I'm not offended, but I don't see it as toothless. I believe that putting an official timeline and system in place will have a measurable impact on the viability and attendance of future F2Fs. That's why I proposed it.

We had a vote, it failed -- and it was a vote that doesn't matter in the slightest* because it was a vote for something that couldn't happen this year.

Actually, I had stipulated that we use November this month, so it would have made that official instead of hand-wavey. But again, not worth keruffling about, especially since I'm the one who was supposed to post in Press and failed to do so.

I'm not offended, but I don't see it as toothless. I believe that putting an official timeline and system in place will have a measurable impact on the viability and attendance of future F2Fs. That's why I proposed it.

By toothless, I meant that there was nothing forcing Buffistas to follow the proposed timeline. But I totally agree that having the timeline in place will help.

I know this sort of thing has been said before, but I adore you all. I adore you individually, and collectively. I say this specifically here and now, because in 99% of other communities on the internet and in meatspace, this discussion would have long since ceased to be discussion, shot right through kerfuffle territory, and have set up camp deep in the Land of Bitter Recriminations, in its capitol, Schism City.

Maybe I'm a little sensitive to this due to personal events of the past week, but I'm not sorry to be saying this.

Hiya! When do we normally open Goodbye and Good Riddance? I got my first Secret Santa gift and want to squee!

Goodbye and Good Riddance 2010 - Don't let the door hit ya...

I looked back and it seems Dec 1st is opening day for Goodbye and Good Riddance. Like smonster, I got a goodie and want to thank my Secret Santa.