So if the "quirky" thread was redefined to include specific shows that wouldn't be in the Comedy or the Procedural bucket (maybe any other show from the poll that had 10 or more votes), would that make people feel better? And we could further vote to add new shows to it as the need arose?

Not even sure if a thread like that would pass, just trying to better understand what people's specific issues are.

Thank you, Jon. Quirky is just a nebulous adjective that does not work to reduce a Network Drama thread into a smaller drama thread.

To try to say now that this is against the rules seems unfair to me.

To try to pass a network drama thread with another name is against the rules and is unfair.

So if the "quirky" thread was redefined to include specific shows that wouldn't be in the Comedy or the Procedural bucket (maybe any other show from the poll that had 10 or more votes), would that make people feel better?

If there was something that distinguished it from the overall drama thread that just got voted down, sure. I'm just not seeing anything that does.

t can't sleep

This is not the place to work out a proposal. If you want to vote on it or think it is worth working out, then second it and it can move to Lightbulbs for sorting out and debate and heated discussions.

As it stands SA made a proposal here: SA "Bureaucracy 4: Like Job. No, really, just like Job" Aug 19, 2007 7:06:23 pm PDT

So if the "quirky" thread was redefined to include specific shows that wouldn't be in the Comedy or the Procedural bucket (maybe any other show from the poll that had 10 or more votes), would that make people feel better? And we could further vote to add new shows to it as the need arose?

Comedy isn't drama, so excluding Comedy from this newly proposed thread is irrelevant.

Excluding "Procedurals" is trickier. It's certainly less vague than "quirky", but I'm not sure if the line is white enough.

maybe any other show from the poll that had 10 or more votes

That still is a bit like "all other dramas" which is what was voted down. Someone upthread mentioned "Shows About Talking with Dead People" which wouldn't bug me at all as it is clearly not about a general drama thread. It has a clear purpose and a limited number of shows. But quirky drama, dramas we watch that aren't covered by a clear category, etc. are a rehash of what was voted down.

This is not the place to work out a proposal.

It can't be proposed if it violates our rules. That's what I'm concerned about.

If there was something that distinguished it from the overall drama thread that just got voted down, sure.

Well, not to speak for SA, but it seems to me that what would distinguish it would be the absence of the medical and legal shows. I could be wrong, but I think that the general drama bucket didn't pass because some felt it too large to be managable as far as spoilers would go. Taking out the medical and legal shows probably cuts it in half if we were to go with the show selecting method I mentioned above.

msbelle, I don't disagree that we don't need to hammer out the proposal here. But I think that we need to be clear that any general drama thread is off limits for 6 months. A specific category of drama that is clear is different enough from a general drama thread.

No one has proposed one yet.

eta I am deeply amused that Jon and I, who have had wildly differing opinions on procedure, are both interested enough in rules and procedures that we are both concerned that this is against policy. this is why, I'd wager, we were in the Gang of 14.

point to Jon b. I withdraw my pushing of people to take action.

as painful as it is.