I always thought that once he was free and they danced, the would have adventure and the wide world together. But B & B is my favorite fairy tale.
Sir? I'd like you to take the helm, please. I need this man to tear all my clothes off.
Zoe ,'Serenity'
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Sophia Brooks - Dec 30, 2008 8:02:13 am PST #9236 of 10000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
Jessica - Dec 30, 2008 8:18:53 am PST #9237 of 10000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
It never occurred to me to think of this as a retcon, but I can accept that this is because it's the retcon I subscribe to.
This. It was in the plot synopsis my dad gave me while we were watching (me being about eleven and desperately needing footnotes in order to follow the damn thing), so it never occured to me that it wasn't part of the movie all along. I will grant that it's there in an obscure subtexty way and could easily qualify as a retcon.
Strega - Dec 30, 2008 8:20:04 am PST #9238 of 10000
It's in the 2001 script, too, although the expositioning scene isn't in the movie because Kubrick is Kubrick. But yeah, I don't think it was ever their intention that HAL just goes nuts for no reason at all, so I wouldn't call it a retcon.
Polter-Cow - Dec 30, 2008 8:34:08 am PST #9239 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Yes, yes, I get the whole parable stuff, how Eve found a vegetative substance, gave it to the male leader of people, and it triggered him to gain a ton of Knowledge, after which he had to lead his people out of Eden (the Axiom).
I did not get that at all! Huh. Look at that.
le nubian - Dec 30, 2008 8:53:34 am PST #9240 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
"Beauty and the Beast" set my teef on edge. I literally started complaining about that film *In* the movie and didn't stop for 2-3 days later. My roommate at the time said to me: "what did you expect? Disney ruins a lot of fairy tales."
Only that shut me up.
Beauty and the Beast is argued to be one of the first feminist Western fairy tales (it is my favorite fairy tale) and Disney fucked all that up - and even threw in some Frankenstein references just for the fuck of it.
Hayden - Dec 30, 2008 9:06:12 am PST #9241 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
I quite liked WALL-E, especially the first third. But the end, with the return to the desolate Earth, should have turned into the Jamestown colony in The New World, with the unprepared dying off at startling rates.
And I never assumed that HAL was anything but rational. In fact, I thought that was the point: rationality can often lead to intellectual dead-ends, but humanity was touched by the creativity of the obelisk.
Jessica - Dec 30, 2008 9:09:54 am PST #9242 of 10000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
I would love to have seen the original script, with zero dialogue and much less of the human story (and a much darker overall tone). But it would have needed a different studio behind it.
Glamcookie - Dec 30, 2008 10:55:09 am PST #9243 of 10000
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Aw, I love WALL-E. Too doped up to articulate, but I just love it.
Strega - Dec 30, 2008 11:07:27 am PST #9244 of 10000
I'm pretending Jessica is talking about 2001.
Typo Boy - Dec 30, 2008 11:20:19 am PST #9245 of 10000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Also the what got be about Wall-E was fat=victim or villain. Even the Wall-Mart equivalent was called Buy & Large. Just in case we did not get the message.