Student ,'Touched'
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Yes, yes, I get the whole parable stuff, how Eve found a vegetative substance, gave it to the male leader of people, and it triggered him to gain a ton of Knowledge, after which he had to lead his people out of Eden (the Axiom).
I did not get that at all! Huh. Look at that.
"Beauty and the Beast" set my teef on edge. I literally started complaining about that film *In* the movie and didn't stop for 2-3 days later. My roommate at the time said to me: "what did you expect? Disney ruins a lot of fairy tales."
Only that shut me up.
Beauty and the Beast is argued to be one of the first feminist Western fairy tales (it is my favorite fairy tale) and Disney fucked all that up - and even threw in some Frankenstein references just for the fuck of it.
I quite liked WALL-E, especially the first third. But the end, with the return to the desolate Earth, should have turned into the Jamestown colony in The New World, with the unprepared dying off at startling rates.
And I never assumed that HAL was anything but rational. In fact, I thought that was the point: rationality can often lead to intellectual dead-ends, but humanity was touched by the creativity of the obelisk.
I would love to have seen the original script, with zero dialogue and much less of the human story (and a much darker overall tone). But it would have needed a different studio behind it.
Aw, I love WALL-E. Too doped up to articulate, but I just love it.
I'm pretending Jessica is talking about 2001.
Also the what got be about Wall-E was fat=victim or villain. Even the Wall-Mart equivalent was called Buy & Large. Just in case we did not get the message.
Steph's statement and Le nubian's:
Beauty and the Beast is argued to be one of the first feminist Western fairy tales (it is my favorite fairy tale) and Disney fucked all that up - and even threw in some Frankenstein references just for the fuck of it.
Are both concise representations of my beef. The one that cuases me to practically stroke out. It is so anti what I want young girls to hear.
The thing that I started whinging about in the theatre was 'the Disney three'. The 'sexy' big-breasted, air-headed blondes that fawn over the hero and wiggle their asses is pretty much every Disney film. What is up with that? [Disney development execs twirl their mustashes and said, "Heh. Whatt'll keep the dads buying tickets? Bubble-headed boobs!] Perfect.
My favorite late-period, non-Pixar Disney is Emperor's New Groove. No love interests at all (unless John Goodman and David Spade as a Llama count). I guess you could make an argument about Eartha Kitt (RIP - sniff!) being the villain as a stereotype of some kind, but I really think that casting was all about THAT VOICE.
Plus, her and Patrick Warburton were hilarious playing off each other.
I love Emperor's New Groove so very much. It's ridiculously hilarious and has an awesome zoom-out joke. Who has zoom-out jokes anymore?
I'm pretending Jessica is talking about 2001.
I thought she was! But I guess she wasn't. That also makes sense, I see.