Giles ,'Never Leave Me'
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don't get me started on my Beauty and the Beast rant...
You mean how Belle sings in her opening song (her mission statement, if you will) that she wants adventure and the wide world, and she ends up playing house with dogboy (granted that he had a KILLER library)?
Way to model independent women, Disney.
I always thought that once he was free and they danced, the would have adventure and the wide world together. But B & B is my favorite fairy tale.
It never occurred to me to think of this as a retcon, but I can accept that this is because it's the retcon I subscribe to.
This. It was in the plot synopsis my dad gave me while we were watching (me being about eleven and desperately needing footnotes in order to follow the damn thing), so it never occured to me that it wasn't part of the movie all along. I will grant that it's there in an obscure subtexty way and could easily qualify as a retcon.
It's in the 2001 script, too, although the expositioning scene isn't in the movie because Kubrick is Kubrick. But yeah, I don't think it was ever their intention that HAL just goes nuts for no reason at all, so I wouldn't call it a retcon.
Yes, yes, I get the whole parable stuff, how Eve found a vegetative substance, gave it to the male leader of people, and it triggered him to gain a ton of Knowledge, after which he had to lead his people out of Eden (the Axiom).
I did not get that at all! Huh. Look at that.
"Beauty and the Beast" set my teef on edge. I literally started complaining about that film *In* the movie and didn't stop for 2-3 days later. My roommate at the time said to me: "what did you expect? Disney ruins a lot of fairy tales."
Only that shut me up.
Beauty and the Beast is argued to be one of the first feminist Western fairy tales (it is my favorite fairy tale) and Disney fucked all that up - and even threw in some Frankenstein references just for the fuck of it.
I quite liked WALL-E, especially the first third. But the end, with the return to the desolate Earth, should have turned into the Jamestown colony in The New World, with the unprepared dying off at startling rates.
And I never assumed that HAL was anything but rational. In fact, I thought that was the point: rationality can often lead to intellectual dead-ends, but humanity was touched by the creativity of the obelisk.
I would love to have seen the original script, with zero dialogue and much less of the human story (and a much darker overall tone). But it would have needed a different studio behind it.
Aw, I love WALL-E. Too doped up to articulate, but I just love it.
I'm pretending Jessica is talking about 2001.