and I don't like any of the characters.

You don't like Peggy? Or Joan? Or Don's bohemian girlfriend on the side?

I like that the characters are flawed and interesting. You understand everybody's motives. You see the flaws of the era and the sexist, racist, anti-semitic, homophobic culture. Nobody's completely irredeemable. Nobody's untainted.

It's very sharply written and it looks beautiful, and the stories were very compelling.

I find it depressing and just makes me thank Gloria Stienem and Betty Friedan!

I find it depressing and just makes me thank Gloria Stienem and Betty Friedan!

I think you're supposed to think of them. I really like that they don't soft peddle (so to speak) an idealized version of the era. It allows them to address those issues honestly, and - of course - there are clear resonances with today.

quester,

I had a really hard time with MM for the first half or so of the series. The misogyny is what really got me. I just didn't find it at all enjoyable. In fact, I was pretty depressed. I told my beau, "you have until a Black cleaning lady shows up and then I'm out."

However, when Draper's mystery started getting deeper and some of the men's lives became obviously miserable, that's when I started become more interested.

I did eventually come to like Don, but he doesn't make it easy all the time. And I like Peggy a lot. And poor messed up Betty(not always. Sometimes she thinks she's all that.) I think Joan is sexy.

I like Helen Bishop. She reminds me of my aunt Ruth. Sharp-tongued and doesn't take any guff from men, or women.

But, yeah, the amount of misogyny skeeves me. Also pisses me me off because my dad is in the age bracket and he never would have spoken of/to a woman the way most of those guys are. While they may be showing us how they think it was, not every single male was a skirt-chasing letch bent on female subjugation. So, I'm kinda resentful on my dad's behalf.

While they may be showing us how they think it was, not every single male was a skirt-chasing letch bent on female subjugation.

Yeah, just like the fact that not everybody smoked. That drives me up a wall.

I don't want to spoil for quester in case quester hasn't seen last season's finale, but I was okay with Peggy until the season finale. I will not get over "what happened to" Peggy in the end.

Man, that just took me out of the show out of the moment and I'm still shaking my head months later.

Yeah, I can see that, Sail. Just like everyone in West Baltimore isn't really in the drug trade, though. A show is like a window. ETA: My grandfather might have, if he wasn't so busy being the Tragic...uh, Half-Breed or something like that. Megan hasn't seen "The Wire" Bubbs is pathetic sometimes, but he's never an asshat.

le nubian was it her finding out she was pregnant by going into labor!? or was it something else? I did happen to catch part of that episode if it's the one you mean.