quester,

I had a really hard time with MM for the first half or so of the series. The misogyny is what really got me. I just didn't find it at all enjoyable. In fact, I was pretty depressed. I told my beau, "you have until a Black cleaning lady shows up and then I'm out."

However, when Draper's mystery started getting deeper and some of the men's lives became obviously miserable, that's when I started become more interested.

I did eventually come to like Don, but he doesn't make it easy all the time. And I like Peggy a lot. And poor messed up Betty(not always. Sometimes she thinks she's all that.) I think Joan is sexy.

I like Helen Bishop. She reminds me of my aunt Ruth. Sharp-tongued and doesn't take any guff from men, or women.

But, yeah, the amount of misogyny skeeves me. Also pisses me me off because my dad is in the age bracket and he never would have spoken of/to a woman the way most of those guys are. While they may be showing us how they think it was, not every single male was a skirt-chasing letch bent on female subjugation. So, I'm kinda resentful on my dad's behalf.

While they may be showing us how they think it was, not every single male was a skirt-chasing letch bent on female subjugation.

Yeah, just like the fact that not everybody smoked. That drives me up a wall.

I don't want to spoil for quester in case quester hasn't seen last season's finale, but I was okay with Peggy until the season finale. I will not get over "what happened to" Peggy in the end.

Man, that just took me out of the show out of the moment and I'm still shaking my head months later.

Yeah, I can see that, Sail. Just like everyone in West Baltimore isn't really in the drug trade, though. A show is like a window. ETA: My grandfather might have, if he wasn't so busy being the Tragic...uh, Half-Breed or something like that. Megan hasn't seen "The Wire" Bubbs is pathetic sometimes, but he's never an asshat.

le nubian was it her finding out she was pregnant by going into labor!? or was it something else? I did happen to catch part of that episode if it's the one you mean.

Quester, please don't use <font color="white"> for spoilers. Instead, use <span class="spoiler"> or use the s quickedit. With the css flexibility we've given users, not everyone is using a white background anymore.

I found them unlikable, but the writing was so sharp and the casting so brilliant that I stuck with it. I think you see as the series goes on that though the women may be hurting more obviously, EVERYONE is suffering because of the rigid social mores of the era.

quester, yes. I couldn't get over the fact that Peggy went into labor and didn't know she was pregnant. What the fuck did she think was the baby kicking? I just don't get it. Yes, people have talked about women they know not realizing they were pregnant, but come on.