Mal: Okay. She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon. But she is solid. Ship like this, be with ya 'til the day you die. Zoe: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

'Out Of Gas'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Java cat - Oct 10, 2010 8:54:14 pm PDT #6997 of 12003
Not javachik

Not that I recall in the show's history; personal oddity is what I chalked it up to. I was proud of her for not smoking when it was offered.

John Slattery directed. He has terrific visual style.

How horrible a fate for Midge.


Liese S. - Oct 10, 2010 8:58:49 pm PDT #6998 of 12003
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Oh, yeah, I was upset about Midge. I really liked her and I was sorry to see where she was.


DavidS - Oct 10, 2010 9:06:41 pm PDT #6999 of 12003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I really liked her and I was sorry to see where she was.

At least her painting meant something to him. And the gesture he made by buying it, along with covering Pete's partner responsibility were both - in a way - about acknowledging personal debts.

He knows that Pete's been working very hard to bring in business, and Pete took the hit when they had to give up that account. Pete took the full brunt of Roger's blow-up and didn't expose Don.

In an odd way the show is always exploring notions of loyalty.


le nubian - Oct 11, 2010 1:58:18 am PDT #7000 of 12003
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Is it wrong that I am more worried about Kale than the nation's oil supply on Rubicon?

No. I am in your camp.

MM: I have a negative feeling about Faye because she didn't accept Peggy's offer for a drink. We don't really see Peggy reach out the way she's done and Faye kind of shot her down. Why do you think that was?


sj - Oct 11, 2010 2:42:58 am PDT #7001 of 12003
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Le nubian, I was wondering if despite what Faye said to Don about taking their relationship public, she didn't want to tell Peggy that she had dinner plans with Don.


le nubian - Oct 11, 2010 2:51:07 am PDT #7002 of 12003
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

But then why didn't she just say: I have plans tonight, but what about next week?


Jon B. - Oct 11, 2010 3:26:04 am PDT #7003 of 12003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I think that Peggy & Faye have different takes on being a woman in a man's world. We've seen consistently that Peggy craves to be a part of a larger group, from her disappointment at not fitting in with any of the cliques at the firm, to her comment (I forget when) about not being able to go to the clubs that the men go to, to her hanging with the beatniks and generally going outside of her comfort zone in the hopes of connecting with something larger. Faye, on the other hand, seems like more of a pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps person. She's done it all herself and doesn't need anyone else.

I feel like the wedding ring Faye wore and Faye's getting Don the Heinz meeting (Peggy wouldn't have) are significant here as well, but I'm having trouble verbalizing.


Jessica - Oct 11, 2010 4:21:02 am PDT #7004 of 12003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Faye's reaction to me seemed like "Dear god, as if dealing with Don wasn't enough, I don't need both of you hitting on me!" I think she was more upset than she let on about losing the job and just wanted as clean a break with SCDP as possible.

Do we think this is really the end of Bert Cooper?? "Get my shoes" was fantastic.

Also loved Don smoking while writing the anti-tobacco letter. I hope it pays off, but I think he may have written it about ten years too early.

It occured to me that firing Roger would save the firm a TON of money...


Jon B. - Oct 11, 2010 4:48:47 am PDT #7005 of 12003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I think she was more upset than she let on about losing the job and just wanted as clean a break with SCDP as possible.

Maybe, but she's not going to get that if she keeps dating Don.

I think he may have written it about ten years too early.

I'm not so sure. The labeling law (Surgeon General warning) was passed in '65, the Fairness Doctrine rule (requiring stations to carry free anti-smoking ads) started in '67 and the TV ad band started in '71. Part of Don's motivation was what Megan said: "You didn't break up with me; I broke up with you." But I think Don was also motivated by Peggy's comment about changing the firm's name. Changing their name would have been silly but changing focus is not. The only way SCDP is going to survive is by standing out from the rest of the pack. Being a forward thinking company is a great way to do that.


Jessica - Oct 11, 2010 4:58:24 am PDT #7006 of 12003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The labeling law (Surgeon General warning) was passed in '65, the Fairness Doctrine rule (requiring stations to carry free anti-smoking ads) started in '67 and the TV ad band started in '71.

But it took a long time after that for smoking to become unpopular, in large part because there was so much pro-tobacco advertising around.

In the long run, Don will have history on his side, but it's an incredibly risky move to throw that much money down the drain.