But? There's always a but. When this is over, can we have a big 'but' moratorium?

Fred ,'Smile Time'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Jon B. - Oct 11, 2010 4:48:47 am PDT #7005 of 12003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I think she was more upset than she let on about losing the job and just wanted as clean a break with SCDP as possible.

Maybe, but she's not going to get that if she keeps dating Don.

I think he may have written it about ten years too early.

I'm not so sure. The labeling law (Surgeon General warning) was passed in '65, the Fairness Doctrine rule (requiring stations to carry free anti-smoking ads) started in '67 and the TV ad band started in '71. Part of Don's motivation was what Megan said: "You didn't break up with me; I broke up with you." But I think Don was also motivated by Peggy's comment about changing the firm's name. Changing their name would have been silly but changing focus is not. The only way SCDP is going to survive is by standing out from the rest of the pack. Being a forward thinking company is a great way to do that.


Jessica - Oct 11, 2010 4:58:24 am PDT #7006 of 12003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The labeling law (Surgeon General warning) was passed in '65, the Fairness Doctrine rule (requiring stations to carry free anti-smoking ads) started in '67 and the TV ad band started in '71.

But it took a long time after that for smoking to become unpopular, in large part because there was so much pro-tobacco advertising around.

In the long run, Don will have history on his side, but it's an incredibly risky move to throw that much money down the drain.


Theodosia - Oct 11, 2010 5:09:16 am PDT #7007 of 12003
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Alan Sepinwall points out that one of the people who called Don was Emerson Foote:

Meanwhile, one of Don's other phone messages was from Emerson Foote, an advertising giant who in 1965 quit his job as chairman of McCann-Erickson because he didn't want to represent tobacco anymore.


Jon B. - Oct 11, 2010 5:19:21 am PDT #7008 of 12003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

it's an incredibly risky move to throw that much money down the drain.

I think Don figured they weren't getting that money anyway so why not take a chance.

one of the people who called Don was Emerson Foote

Thanks, Theo. I meant to check up on who Foote was but forgot.


Jon B. - Oct 11, 2010 5:30:34 am PDT #7009 of 12003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Some googling of Foote reveals two interesting tidbits: He had the Lucky Strikes account in the '40s when he dropped all tobacco advertising. And he was the president of the American Cancer Society in 1965. Was it the ACS that wants SCDP to produce anti-smoking ads?


Jessica - Oct 11, 2010 5:31:11 am PDT #7010 of 12003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh, that's cool.


Jon B. - Oct 11, 2010 5:33:42 am PDT #7011 of 12003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Hat-trick!

Just reread Sepinwall's quote above. According to the NY Times obit Foote resigned from the American Tobacco account in 1948, so he'd been an anti-tobacco advocate well before 1965.


Hayden - Oct 11, 2010 5:46:16 am PDT #7012 of 12003
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

We don't really see Peggy reach out the way she's done and Faye kind of shot her down. Why do you think that was?

Also, office gossip says that Peggy slept with Don to get where she is.


Jessica - Oct 11, 2010 5:49:10 am PDT #7013 of 12003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Also, office gossip says that Peggy slept with Don to get where she is.

Ahhh, I'd forgotten about that.


Jon B. - Oct 11, 2010 6:06:33 am PDT #7014 of 12003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Good point, Hayden!