Hey! What do you two think you're doing? Fightin' at a time like this. You'll use up all the air!

Jayne ,'Out Of Gas'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Juliebird - Mar 11, 2010 4:43:49 pm PST #4628 of 11999
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I actually thought that promo shot was some clever fan photoshopping, and then I saw a large version of it and was all "nuh-uh!"


Calli - Mar 12, 2010 2:03:10 am PST #4629 of 11999
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Speaking of White Collar images, the header image of this journal is an interesting commentary on the Peter/Neal relationship. Neal's Peter's shadow? Peter is Neal's public face?


Juliebird - Mar 12, 2010 2:32:29 am PST #4630 of 11999
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

That's another one I like. When I see that I think "Peter and Neal are ONE"

[link] This lj header is one of several similar photos, and there's a better one that has Peter framed more deliberately in the... frame. That one says to me that Peter is the priceless work of art that Neal will covet and eventually steal.


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2010 5:06:34 pm PST #4631 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Christian Kane talks music and Leverage and stuff.


brenda m - Mar 12, 2010 5:53:07 pm PST #4632 of 11999
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Kind of a nifty White Collar overview: [link]


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2010 5:57:14 pm PST #4633 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ah, the dom/sub reading.

I think he overstates the "no lie" quotient of the show. Neal totally lies to Peter. It's more that there are few misunderstandings. Peter just sees through him. So while there are no "lie arcs" there are still lies. Neal might trust Peter more than he trusts anyone else, but that's not a total trust.


brenda m - Mar 12, 2010 6:00:25 pm PST #4634 of 11999
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I don't think the point was no lying, it was that the plot doesn't hinge on the kind of obvious lies that in real life no one would buy. Or at least that's my take. It reminds me of romance novel critiques where one of the tests were "could the entire conflict of the plot have been resolved by someone asking one question that any reasonable person in that circumstance would ask?" A surprising number fail.


Lee - Mar 12, 2010 6:07:48 pm PST #4635 of 11999
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think the no *stupid* lie part was pretty dead on. Yes Neal lies, and Peter knows it, but they aren't stupid lies, really.


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2010 6:15:44 pm PST #4636 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He said:

The same holds true for Neal and Peter; they rarely lie

Neal doesn't rarely lie to Peter--he lies to him about once an ep. Peter doesn't lie to Neal. He brutalises him with the truth, in fact. Keeps him in check with it.

I agree with him that arcs don't hinge on lies being believed, but I think it's mischaracterising the relationship to say they're rarely told.

I know he's very attached to Neal being a good little sub, but he's not that good.


Lee - Mar 12, 2010 6:25:21 pm PST #4637 of 11999
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Fair point. I was focusing on his point about how it's not the lies that drive the plot. They are there, but because Peter almost always knows about them, they are pretty secondary to the plot arc.