That's my girl, large and in-charge. Okay, teensy-weensy and in charge.

Gunn ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Liese S. - Jan 28, 2010 11:47:43 am PST #4067 of 11999
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Hee. I would be scared if I saw it.

I also loved how he denied knowing what she was talking about, and then, of course, did it. If Tara ate my sandwich at me and then Eliot gave me the look, I would totally capitulate. To whatever!

I agree. I like Nate much more. It's remarkable to me how much it's possible for characters to grow on me like this. You would think I'd have to hit a saturation point. But apparently no.


§ ita § - Jan 28, 2010 11:58:28 am PST #4068 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that's the biggest pull for me about this show--the charisma of the team.

It's also a big draw for me in White Collar, but there it's primarily two people. Here it's a team of five. And if you'd asked me a season ago, I'd have had nothing much to say outside of Hardison/Parker/Eliot, but now I'm feeling insanely protective of Nate and Sophie too.


Polter-Cow - Jan 28, 2010 12:06:04 pm PST #4069 of 11999
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

If Tara ate my sandwich at me

I like how Tara has a very different style of grifting than Sophie. She still feels wrong and Not a Part of the Team, as she should, but she's effective in her role.


Vortex - Jan 28, 2010 1:18:22 pm PST #4070 of 11999
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I need to see that "are you an alcoholic" quiz. Anyone got a link?

Off of the top of my head

1. Do you get drunk more than twice a year
2. Have you ever thrown up from drinking
3. Have you ever done something that you regret because you were drunk
4. Do you need a drink to get going in the morning
5. Do you hide alcohol
6. Have you ever blacked out from drinking


Polter-Cow - Jan 28, 2010 1:35:13 pm PST #4071 of 11999
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

1, 2, and 3 seem like most people's college experience.


Scrappy - Jan 28, 2010 1:55:28 pm PST #4072 of 11999
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I tend to use this arbitrary personal test with others:

  • Do you always bring liquor to gatherings, which you then drink?

  • Do you find people who don't drink mystifying and/or annoying?

  • Is it impossible for you to imagine enjoying an activity without having alcohol to go with it?

  • Do you tend to plan your day around when you get that first drink and become angry with anything that keeps you from that goal?

Not that I ask those questions of anyone--I just notice stuff like a friend who insists on bringing a bottle of tequila to every gathering, even if that gathering is at three in the afternoon.


Liese S. - Jan 28, 2010 2:53:16 pm PST #4073 of 11999
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

So if Nate's drinking is the symptom, how would you qualify the problem itself? Anger? Pain? Self-loathing? I tend to see his alcoholism as a bigger part of the problem than they're saying.


§ ita § - Jan 28, 2010 2:58:32 pm PST #4074 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Nate is a sadistic bastard who hasn't gotten over his rage at the world, despite a detente with his wife and a victory over IYS. I think he drinks to self-medicate past that.

He also drinks so that he can ignore the fact that he likes being on the grey side of the law.


Juliebird - Jan 28, 2010 3:10:03 pm PST #4075 of 11999
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I was a bit confused over Maggie arriving at the conclusion that Nate hated himself. I mean, yeah, like ita said, last I heard he still had a hard time grouping himself with his crew, but how would Maggie twig to that? And what does Elliot himself think it is a symptom of?

Besides the flippy ends being too girly for me (I didn't mind the beads), Elliot's hair bothers me the way female action heroes hair bothers me in fights.


§ ita § - Jan 28, 2010 3:21:14 pm PST #4076 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Nate was full of self-loathing when they first met last time, and he's obviously not reached a place where he can be honest about himself or his motivation. Maggie, Eliot, and Sophie I'd expect to be on top of that.