I don't care if it is an orgy of death, there's still such a thing as a napkin.

Willow ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Scrappy - Jan 28, 2010 1:55:28 pm PST #4072 of 11999
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I tend to use this arbitrary personal test with others:

  • Do you always bring liquor to gatherings, which you then drink?

  • Do you find people who don't drink mystifying and/or annoying?

  • Is it impossible for you to imagine enjoying an activity without having alcohol to go with it?

  • Do you tend to plan your day around when you get that first drink and become angry with anything that keeps you from that goal?

Not that I ask those questions of anyone--I just notice stuff like a friend who insists on bringing a bottle of tequila to every gathering, even if that gathering is at three in the afternoon.


Liese S. - Jan 28, 2010 2:53:16 pm PST #4073 of 11999
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

So if Nate's drinking is the symptom, how would you qualify the problem itself? Anger? Pain? Self-loathing? I tend to see his alcoholism as a bigger part of the problem than they're saying.


§ ita § - Jan 28, 2010 2:58:32 pm PST #4074 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Nate is a sadistic bastard who hasn't gotten over his rage at the world, despite a detente with his wife and a victory over IYS. I think he drinks to self-medicate past that.

He also drinks so that he can ignore the fact that he likes being on the grey side of the law.


Juliebird - Jan 28, 2010 3:10:03 pm PST #4075 of 11999
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I was a bit confused over Maggie arriving at the conclusion that Nate hated himself. I mean, yeah, like ita said, last I heard he still had a hard time grouping himself with his crew, but how would Maggie twig to that? And what does Elliot himself think it is a symptom of?

Besides the flippy ends being too girly for me (I didn't mind the beads), Elliot's hair bothers me the way female action heroes hair bothers me in fights.


§ ita § - Jan 28, 2010 3:21:14 pm PST #4076 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Nate was full of self-loathing when they first met last time, and he's obviously not reached a place where he can be honest about himself or his motivation. Maggie, Eliot, and Sophie I'd expect to be on top of that.


Zenkitty - Jan 28, 2010 3:23:17 pm PST #4077 of 11999
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Eliot does often wear that knit watch cap, which keeps his hair effectively out of the way. And he often pulls it back. I think in RL a guy like that wouldn't wear long hair, but I'm trying to relax and enjoy the pretty visual effects. The flippy ends bother me. I can't imagine Eliot Spencer with a flat iron. And you know his hair is curly; you can tell in scenes where he gets wet or sweaty, like in the fight with the Moussad woman.


EpicTangent - Jan 28, 2010 3:30:19 pm PST #4078 of 11999
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

Elliot's hair bothers me the way female action heroes hair bothers me in fights.

Yeah, the head-toss to try (and fail) to get it out of his face when he stopped whaling on Badger just bugged.


Zenkitty - Jan 28, 2010 3:38:59 pm PST #4079 of 11999
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Actually, I thought that was cute. But there was no more fighting happening then.

There are many wonderful things about this show. I swear, I don't really fixate on Eliot's hair.


Vortex - Jan 28, 2010 3:39:37 pm PST #4080 of 11999
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I swear, I don't really fixate on Eliot's hair.

I don't so much fixate on it, but I do notice it.


§ ita § - Jan 28, 2010 3:40:04 pm PST #4081 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't work out why Sam's hair on Supernatural bothers me and Eliot's is love. It didn't use to be, but I like it longer. All hair longer than mine is equally impractical, maybe. And the idea of him sitting down and beading it is beyond hysterical.