This money, it is too much. You should have some small refund.

Niska ,'War Stories'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Liese S. - Jul 26, 2007 2:52:01 pm PDT #185 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I was thinking about this lately. You know where my actual buying choices originate? A) Friends talking about the product and B) the intarwebs. If there really were an insidious marketing plan where people were paid to talk up a product like William Gibson's, I would totally fall for it. If it were you people who were being paid. Hey, are you people being paid?

But Tivo, Vonage, All-Clad, the Harmony (I didn't buy one, but I talked it up to a friend who bought one). Those were all heavily influenced by conversations with friends here and elsewhere. Appliances & major purchases like that are all from consumer research places like Consumer Reports.

The only thing I can think of that I bought off of tv was the Billy Mays Hercules Hook! Which is awesome.

I don't know. I just think if I were an advertiser, I might spend some more time on making my web presence friendly, navigable and searchable, 'cause that's where all my purchase decisions are being made.


Vortex - Jul 26, 2007 7:13:24 pm PDT #186 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

If there really were an insidious marketing plan where people were paid to talk up a product like William Gibson's, I would totally fall for it. If it were you people who were being paid. Hey, are you people being paid?

actually, I have a friend whose job it is to surf the net, report on what people are saying about her client, and talk up their products.


sumi - Jul 26, 2007 7:21:32 pm PDT #187 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Mad Men: I was talking to a friend who is an attorney and I had no idea that it was v. likely that contraceptives were illegal for unmarried women at that time.

And did you guys think that Draper's wife's disorder was a panic attack? I thought it was going to be something like ms which had to have been really difficult to diagnose and pretty much untreatable at the time. (Or so I would guess.)


Vortex - Jul 26, 2007 7:29:16 pm PDT #188 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Mad Men: I was talking to a friend who is an attorney and I had no idea that it was v. likely that contraceptives were illegal for unmarried women at that time.

Birth control in general was illegal in some states until 1965.


sumi - Jul 26, 2007 8:48:48 pm PDT #189 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

It was a completely different world back then. Was New York one of those states?

Anyway, the case was Griswold vs. Connecticut - where Griswold was convicted for providing information about contraceptives to married couples.


-t - Jul 26, 2007 9:43:46 pm PDT #190 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

They should just name the kid after Johnny, get a dna test and be done with it.

I agree with the first half of that. Would a DNA test be able to distinguish which brother was the father? Brothers have a lot of genes in common.


Fred Pete - Jul 27, 2007 4:24:15 am PDT #191 of 11998
Ann, that's a ferret.

The court didn't rule on contraceptives for unmarried persons until 1973, in Eisenstadt v. Baird.


Stephanie - Jul 27, 2007 5:22:50 am PDT #192 of 11998
Trust my rage

My mom was almost forced to quit her job when she was pregnant with me - in 1974. I was shocked when I found out. It was considered wrong/bad/whatever for children to be exposed to such a pregnant woman. (I guess because it was obvious that she was having sex? With her husband?)

Anyway, my dad the law student wrote a memo appealing their decision and they let her stay until the end of the year (although I was born a month early so that was the end of that).

eta for clarity - my mom was a 4th grade teacher


bon bon - Jul 27, 2007 5:35:19 am PDT #193 of 11998
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

ISTR that the contraceptives law was not that common or not frequently enforced-- akin to sodomy laws. But I haven't seen Mad Men yet.


sumi - Jul 27, 2007 5:50:04 am PDT #194 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Do you know what the law was in New York? I understand it was a state by state deal.

I was also appalled that Don could call up his wife's shrink and get the lowdown on her session from him.