Like any of that's enough to fight the Dark Master. Bator.

Xander ,'Lessons'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


sumi - Jul 26, 2007 7:21:32 pm PDT #187 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Mad Men: I was talking to a friend who is an attorney and I had no idea that it was v. likely that contraceptives were illegal for unmarried women at that time.

And did you guys think that Draper's wife's disorder was a panic attack? I thought it was going to be something like ms which had to have been really difficult to diagnose and pretty much untreatable at the time. (Or so I would guess.)


Vortex - Jul 26, 2007 7:29:16 pm PDT #188 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Mad Men: I was talking to a friend who is an attorney and I had no idea that it was v. likely that contraceptives were illegal for unmarried women at that time.

Birth control in general was illegal in some states until 1965.


sumi - Jul 26, 2007 8:48:48 pm PDT #189 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

It was a completely different world back then. Was New York one of those states?

Anyway, the case was Griswold vs. Connecticut - where Griswold was convicted for providing information about contraceptives to married couples.


-t - Jul 26, 2007 9:43:46 pm PDT #190 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

They should just name the kid after Johnny, get a dna test and be done with it.

I agree with the first half of that. Would a DNA test be able to distinguish which brother was the father? Brothers have a lot of genes in common.


Fred Pete - Jul 27, 2007 4:24:15 am PDT #191 of 11998
Ann, that's a ferret.

The court didn't rule on contraceptives for unmarried persons until 1973, in Eisenstadt v. Baird.


Stephanie - Jul 27, 2007 5:22:50 am PDT #192 of 11998
Trust my rage

My mom was almost forced to quit her job when she was pregnant with me - in 1974. I was shocked when I found out. It was considered wrong/bad/whatever for children to be exposed to such a pregnant woman. (I guess because it was obvious that she was having sex? With her husband?)

Anyway, my dad the law student wrote a memo appealing their decision and they let her stay until the end of the year (although I was born a month early so that was the end of that).

eta for clarity - my mom was a 4th grade teacher


bon bon - Jul 27, 2007 5:35:19 am PDT #193 of 11998
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

ISTR that the contraceptives law was not that common or not frequently enforced-- akin to sodomy laws. But I haven't seen Mad Men yet.


sumi - Jul 27, 2007 5:50:04 am PDT #194 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Do you know what the law was in New York? I understand it was a state by state deal.

I was also appalled that Don could call up his wife's shrink and get the lowdown on her session from him.


bon bon - Jul 27, 2007 7:03:09 am PDT #195 of 11998
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I believe it was legal for doctors to prescribe in NY (where M. Sanger opened a clinic in the 1920s). I think Connecticut and Massachusetts may have been the only states where it was illegal.


Scrappy - Jul 27, 2007 7:52:44 am PDT #196 of 11998
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I know my parents had to go to a court hearing with their doctor and minister get permission for my dad to get a vasectomy back in the early '60s. They had to prove that the reason they were getting it was to save my mother's life and that they were of good character.