I got stabbed, you know, right here.

Mal ,'Shindig'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Vortex - Oct 06, 2008 10:25:34 am PDT #1483 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

She's won Don over, but she still doesn't have the respect of her coworkers.

I think that Don respects her skills, but doesn't respect her. In the meeting, Don continually referred to Peggy as "her" and "she", not by name. I don't know why I noticed that, but it seemed to make her like more of an object, not a member of the team.


DavidS - Oct 06, 2008 10:36:31 am PDT #1484 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think that Don respects her skills, but doesn't respect her. In the meeting, Don continually referred to Peggy as "her" and "she", not by name. I don't know why I noticed that, but it seemed to make her like more of an object, not a member of the team.

I think there's a disconnect. When he threatened to send Peggy to California it had the air of an implied absurdity meant to insult them. Like it was a slightly outrageous and shaming notion that he'd send a woman in their place.

At the same time, he does respect her work and values it. Peggy also got credit for saving the pitch after Freddy Rumson pissed himself.

So, I think they're underscoring a prefeminist divide. It's still unimaginable to think of a woman seriously in those leadership roles even when they know she's more talented and competent than her male peers.


SailAweigh - Oct 06, 2008 10:49:20 am PDT #1485 of 11998
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I think it's a bit of thinking of her as a dog that can walk. You don't question that it can with a little training and then you profit from it as much you can.


Hayden - Oct 06, 2008 11:09:13 am PDT #1486 of 11998
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I can not, for the life of me, think what her name is supposed to be.

Anita, isn't it?


lisah - Oct 06, 2008 11:14:39 am PDT #1487 of 11998
Punishingly Intricate

Oh! What about all the minor women characters w/ rhyming names?? What does that mean? Or is it just a joke?

Trudy, Judy, Trooby? (or whatever Betty's SiL's name is)

I may have noticed it before but I feel like it was highlighted last night.


SailAweigh - Oct 06, 2008 11:37:23 am PDT #1488 of 11998
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

SiL was Judy.


lisah - Oct 06, 2008 11:38:41 am PDT #1489 of 11998
Punishingly Intricate

I thought Judy was Pete's brother's wife?


SailAweigh - Oct 06, 2008 11:52:41 am PDT #1490 of 11998
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Two Judy's it appears. It took me while to suss it out on IMDb.


megan walker - Oct 06, 2008 12:15:49 pm PDT #1491 of 11998
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

What about all the minor women characters w/ rhyming names?? What does that mean? Or is it just a joke?

I think it's just that names go through trends. Just like the popular thing right now is names that end in "a".

Note that both Judith and Judy made the Top 20 in the 40s:

Most Popular Girls Names 1930-1939
1. Mary
2. Betty +2
3. Barbara +15
4. Shirley +13
5. Patricia +25
6. Dorothy -4
7. Joan +53
8. Margaret -3
9. Nancy +57
10. Helen -7
11. Carol +105
12. Joyce +53
13. Doris -5
14. Ruth -8
15. Virginia -8
16. Marilyn +72
17. Elizabeth -7
18. Jean -2
19. Frances -8
20. Dolores +30

Most Popular Girls Names 1940-1949
1. Mary
2. Linda +93
3. Barbara
4. Patricia +1
5. Carol +6
6. Sandra +44
7. Nancy +2
8. Judith +32
9. Sharon +78
10. Susan +111
11. Betty -9
12. Carolyn +18
13. Shirley -9
14. Margaret -6
15. Karen +126
16. Donna +6
17. Judy +93
18. Kathleen +54
19. Joyce -7
20. Dorothy -14


lisah - Oct 06, 2008 12:28:16 pm PDT #1492 of 11998
Punishingly Intricate

I could swear they were calling Betty's sister-in-law something like Trooby. weird.