But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken. It's hard for you.

River ,'Safe'


Natter Area 51: The Truthiness Is in Here  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Apr 25, 2007 8:46:43 am PDT #4368 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Here's a post with the clip.

[link]

The site is obviously biased, but the clip is just the clip.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 25, 2007 8:54:45 am PDT #4369 of 10001
What is even happening?

To be semi-fair and give context (which is in the clip), Curry asked, "Do you know the American people are suffering -- watching?" It's still cringe-worthy, but it's not like she was making that assertion out of thin air. I mean, I'm a little embarrassed (as an American person) to be described as "suffering" by watching a war. Am I horrified by it? Yes. I'm not suffering in any way. The people who've lost their loved ones, and those living through it in Iraq (on any side) are the ones suffering.


Stephanie - Apr 25, 2007 9:02:07 am PDT #4370 of 10001
Trust my rage

I feel like we're being unfair. After all, as Laura Bush said on the Today Show this morning, no one has suffered over Iraq more than her and W. No one.

I was coming here to say "Did she actually say this", but I see from Cindy's post that she did. Because I have a a co-worker whose son's head was *split open* up the back by a bomb. Laura has suffered more than them? I gave birth to a baby without my husband (among a million other things that year)...pretty minor in the scheme of things, but has Laura suffered through that?


Vortex - Apr 25, 2007 9:07:21 am PDT #4371 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

To be semi-fair and give context (which is in the clip), Curry asked, "Do you know the American people are suffering -- watching?" It's still cringe-worthy, but it's not like she was making that assertion out of thin air. I mean, I'm a little embarrassed (as an American person) to be described as "suffering" by watching a war. Am I horrified by it? Yes. I'm not suffering in any way. The people who've lost their loved ones, and those living through it in Iraq (on any side) are the ones suffering.

yeah, I think that the accusation can be taken out of context. What she seems to be saying is "[of the people just watching], no one suffers more than the President", but they are JUST WATCHING.


Jesse - Apr 25, 2007 9:10:45 am PDT #4372 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

OK, that seems slightly more fair. Sure, the Bushes are "suffering" more than I am, but not nearly as much as the 20 year old wife going through extensive rehab with her brain-injured husband. For example.


§ ita § - Apr 25, 2007 9:28:36 am PDT #4373 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Are they really the sufferingest of the spectators, though?

Love the stocking suggestions, and I will happily wear short skirts if they cover the ass.


Steph L. - Apr 25, 2007 9:35:35 am PDT #4374 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

(Please tell me I'm not the only one on the board who saw Idiocracy and spent a good part of the movie whimpering at how much their government resembled our own?)

Actually, having just finished reading Shards of Honor, which was written in -- was it 1986? -- I was spooked by how prescient it seemed w/r/t the entire government being corrupt evil sodomizers.

I just wish we had Aral Vorkosigan to take them all out.

no one has suffered over Iraq more than her and W. No one.

Even taking it in context, it still sounds (to me) an awful lot like "Let them eat cake."


Gudanov - Apr 25, 2007 9:36:26 am PDT #4375 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I think she just meant to convey that they feel the weight of responsibility. Perhaps not the best way to put it though.


Stephanie - Apr 25, 2007 9:44:44 am PDT #4376 of 10001
Trust my rage

I think she just meant to convey that they feel the weight of responsibility.

This is appropriate, I think. But it sounded to me like she was saying, even giving her the benefit of the doubt, "but we've suffered too!" which is basically bullshit. I don't think it's appropriate to talk about how much suffering the problem has caused you when you created the problem yourself.


Rick - Apr 25, 2007 9:46:09 am PDT #4377 of 10001

I think she just meant to convey that they feel the weight of responsibility.

I do think that this is what she meant, but I see little evidence that Bush feels the weight of responsibility. He's been the most powerful man in the world for years now, and he still can't be bothered to learn the most basic things necessary to do his job well. He's ignorant and self-absorbed and seems to be untouched by real events in the world, including the massive suffering caused by his ignorance and self-absorption. If he were paying attention at any meaningful level we would expect to see some evidence that he is learning--or at least trying to learn.