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Steph L. - Dec 02, 2004 8:58:07 am PST #6795 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Was Carrie Kelly only in DKR? I don't seem to find reference to her in the canonical Robin hierarchy.

AFAIK, only DKR.

Which is why I like my theory. Pulling her from AU-ish-ness into my theoretical canon. Well, not canon; future-canon, which is more or less AU as well.

Layers upon layers of AU! The possibilities are dizzying!


Polter-Cow - Dec 02, 2004 9:00:10 am PST #6796 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Also, I like Plei's defense of Blockbuster angst vs. Joker angst.


esse - Dec 02, 2004 11:30:32 am PST #6797 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

but I'm working hard on blanking most of War Games from my mind.

And we all thought it was going to be woo. I still haven't read it. It's languishing on my hard drive.


Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:01:14 pm PST #6798 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

OK, I found this:

"Kent was not Superman's true identity... Clark Kent was the fiction... the put-on... The truth may be that Kent existed not for the purposes of the story but for the reader. He is Superman's opinion of the rest of us, a pointed caricature of what we... were really like. His fake identity was our real one. That's why we loved him so."

- Jules Feiffer, The Great Comic Book Heroes, 1965


§ ita § - Dec 02, 2004 1:02:12 pm PST #6799 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

a pointed caricature of what we... were really like

He may have been in 1965, but do you really feel he is now?


Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:07:31 pm PST #6800 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Well, my point (which I didn't actually state there) is just that, that Bill (who is, as he said, all about the Old School) was expounding a point that is nearly 40 years old.

As for what I think myself, well, I haven't read enough Superman in, like, ever, to really say. The character never really interested me.


§ ita § - Dec 02, 2004 1:11:17 pm PST #6801 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Bill (who is, as he said, all about the Old School) was expounding a point that is nearly 40 years old

The earth being flat is also an old point. But we have more data now, so it's not a good one.

It is possible that Bill was trying to make a point that was only valid before the birth of the person he was talking to. That could be a character point, in fact.

I just don't think it's a good one.


esse - Dec 02, 2004 1:11:21 pm PST #6802 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Well, my point (which I didn't actually state there) is just that, that Bill (who is, as he said, all about the Old School) was expounding a point that is nearly 40 years old.

Yeah, but forty years ago Batman made jokes to Alfred. It's not a point to be discounted, but it doesn't have the same validity now, I think.


Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:23:22 pm PST #6803 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Possibly it just means that Bill hasn't kept up with the recent changes to Superman?


P.M. Marc - Dec 02, 2004 1:24:42 pm PST #6804 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Or that QT lacks a good post-Crisis knowledge base.