a pointed caricature of what we... were really like
He may have been in 1965, but do you really feel he is now?
If you want me to leave, you can put your hands on my hot, tight little body and make me.
Spike ,'Get It Done'
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§ ita § - Dec 02, 2004 1:02:12 pm PST #6799 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:07:31 pm PST #6800 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
Well, my point (which I didn't actually state there) is just that, that Bill (who is, as he said, all about the Old School) was expounding a point that is nearly 40 years old.
As for what I think myself, well, I haven't read enough Superman in, like, ever, to really say. The character never really interested me.
§ ita § - Dec 02, 2004 1:11:17 pm PST #6801 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Bill (who is, as he said, all about the Old School) was expounding a point that is nearly 40 years old
The earth being flat is also an old point. But we have more data now, so it's not a good one.
It is possible that Bill was trying to make a point that was only valid before the birth of the person he was talking to. That could be a character point, in fact.
I just don't think it's a good one.
esse - Dec 02, 2004 1:11:21 pm PST #6802 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!
Well, my point (which I didn't actually state there) is just that, that Bill (who is, as he said, all about the Old School) was expounding a point that is nearly 40 years old.
Yeah, but forty years ago Batman made jokes to Alfred. It's not a point to be discounted, but it doesn't have the same validity now, I think.
Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:23:22 pm PST #6803 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
Possibly it just means that Bill hasn't kept up with the recent changes to Superman?
P.M. Marc - Dec 02, 2004 1:24:42 pm PST #6804 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Or that QT lacks a good post-Crisis knowledge base.
Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:25:22 pm PST #6805 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
Maybe he just doesn't care about the post-reboot universe.
Thomash - Dec 02, 2004 1:27:00 pm PST #6806 of 10000
I have a plan.
Or he thinks that point is still valid?
§ ita § - Dec 02, 2004 1:32:21 pm PST #6807 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I figure either QT thought Bill was making a good point, or a bad one. Either way, we should be learning something -- about Bill, perhaps about Superman.
Obviously, I think the speech itself is incorrect. If QT agrees with it, then he's one of those wrongheaded people Calvin complains about. If he doesn't, what do we now know? That Bill is dumb? Bill is mired in the past? Bill doesn't know how to make a useful point? Bill sees everything through domineering glasses?
It starts getting a bit messy, I think if we assume QT disagrees and is communicating anything about Bill other than domineering or stuck in the past. Even so, it's a lot of work, and I doubt most people did it.
Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:36:39 pm PST #6808 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
Well, QT has done a written of speeches in his movies in the past. Do you think he has normally believed those?
Hell, there's even some other speeches in Kill Bill, aren't there?