Bill (who is, as he said, all about the Old School) was expounding a point that is nearly 40 years old

The earth being flat is also an old point. But we have more data now, so it's not a good one.

It is possible that Bill was trying to make a point that was only valid before the birth of the person he was talking to. That could be a character point, in fact.

I just don't think it's a good one.

Well, my point (which I didn't actually state there) is just that, that Bill (who is, as he said, all about the Old School) was expounding a point that is nearly 40 years old.

Yeah, but forty years ago Batman made jokes to Alfred. It's not a point to be discounted, but it doesn't have the same validity now, I think.

Possibly it just means that Bill hasn't kept up with the recent changes to Superman?

Or that QT lacks a good post-Crisis knowledge base.

Maybe he just doesn't care about the post-reboot universe.

Or he thinks that point is still valid?

I figure either QT thought Bill was making a good point, or a bad one. Either way, we should be learning something -- about Bill, perhaps about Superman.

Obviously, I think the speech itself is incorrect. If QT agrees with it, then he's one of those wrongheaded people Calvin complains about. If he doesn't, what do we now know? That Bill is dumb? Bill is mired in the past? Bill doesn't know how to make a useful point? Bill sees everything through domineering glasses?

It starts getting a bit messy, I think if we assume QT disagrees and is communicating anything about Bill other than domineering or stuck in the past. Even so, it's a lot of work, and I doubt most people did it.

Well, QT has done a written of speeches in his movies in the past. Do you think he has normally believed those?

Hell, there's even some other speeches in Kill Bill, aren't there?

Did you get the impression he believed it? Did you hear the authorial voice in it?

I admit, I didn't care about believing at that point. The movie had way too much talking, and that speech stood out like a sore thumb. But when I ran down my list of reasons of "Why the hell was that jammed in there like that?" the suggestion that it was a pet opinion of QT's that he wanted an audience for wasn't too far down the list. Because it sounds like geek showoffery, for one.

QT has written other speeches. Most of them fit the movie and the moment and the character better, so I don't stop and wonder "Why this? Why now?" I'm not supposed to be making those sorts of lists during the movie.

Does anyone know how far along in the season JLU is?

I ask because I've torrented up through ep 11, but the last few seem to be from a Canadian network.