Very convincing. Makes me completely want to put myself under government control. Please take me to where you can make me unconscious and naked.

Riley ,'Help'


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P.M. Marc - Dec 02, 2004 1:24:42 pm PST #6804 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Or that QT lacks a good post-Crisis knowledge base.


Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:25:22 pm PST #6805 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Maybe he just doesn't care about the post-reboot universe.


Thomash - Dec 02, 2004 1:27:00 pm PST #6806 of 10000
I have a plan.

Or he thinks that point is still valid?


§ ita § - Dec 02, 2004 1:32:21 pm PST #6807 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I figure either QT thought Bill was making a good point, or a bad one. Either way, we should be learning something -- about Bill, perhaps about Superman.

Obviously, I think the speech itself is incorrect. If QT agrees with it, then he's one of those wrongheaded people Calvin complains about. If he doesn't, what do we now know? That Bill is dumb? Bill is mired in the past? Bill doesn't know how to make a useful point? Bill sees everything through domineering glasses?

It starts getting a bit messy, I think if we assume QT disagrees and is communicating anything about Bill other than domineering or stuck in the past. Even so, it's a lot of work, and I doubt most people did it.


Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 1:36:39 pm PST #6808 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Well, QT has done a written of speeches in his movies in the past. Do you think he has normally believed those?

Hell, there's even some other speeches in Kill Bill, aren't there?


§ ita § - Dec 02, 2004 1:43:33 pm PST #6809 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Did you get the impression he believed it? Did you hear the authorial voice in it?

I admit, I didn't care about believing at that point. The movie had way too much talking, and that speech stood out like a sore thumb. But when I ran down my list of reasons of "Why the hell was that jammed in there like that?" the suggestion that it was a pet opinion of QT's that he wanted an audience for wasn't too far down the list. Because it sounds like geek showoffery, for one.

QT has written other speeches. Most of them fit the movie and the moment and the character better, so I don't stop and wonder "Why this? Why now?" I'm not supposed to be making those sorts of lists during the movie.


Holli - Dec 02, 2004 6:31:28 pm PST #6810 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Does anyone know how far along in the season JLU is?

I ask because I've torrented up through ep 11, but the last few seem to be from a Canadian network.


Kalshane - Dec 02, 2004 7:27:53 pm PST #6811 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Looking at TVtome, Cartoon Network is airing ep #9 for the first time this Saturday and makes mention of YTV showing the episode previously. It seems your suspicions about the Canadians were correct. I'm surprised we're not being taunted.

(Edited because the original post just sucked.)


Holli - Dec 02, 2004 7:38:50 pm PST #6812 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

That explains it, then.


Kalshane - Dec 02, 2004 8:11:22 pm PST #6813 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Also according to TVtome, no new Teen Titans until January 8th and then only 3 episodes left in the season. And we only have 5 JLU episodes left. 12 episode seasons suck.