As others have said, my issues with Bendis stem solely from the normal, mainstream Avengers. Ultimates doesn't bug me--I even enjoy it in small doses--but it's meant to be a through-the-looking-glass Avengers.

Avengers, like Justice League, was always supposed to be something more, and Bendis treated it like it was a house of cards, waiting for a light breeze. Hawkeye and Ant-Man dead, characters retconned to where there's been no development for years. I just don't believe it would fall apart that quickly, or easily. The last thing it took to destroy the Avengers entirely was most of them being apparently dead. And I know the team's coming back with a bunch of new members-yawn-but as much as I love Luke Cage, Jessica Drew and Spider-Man, they ain't the Avengers.

Okay, I just re-read IC 1-6, and I'm still stumped.

One question: when Dr. Light attacked Sue, why wasn't Supes with the rest of the JLA?

One question: when Dr. Light attacked Sue, why wasn't Supes with the rest of the JLA?

Any number of reasons. One, he was a part-timer. Two, he could have been back dealing with Hector Hammond while half the team dealt with the emergency on the satallite. Or, he could have just been on his own case. Even then he had multiple titles, after all. (:

Well, I don't suspect Supes, but it just seemed weird -- and since Batman was on the satellite after all, I can't help wondering if Supes was, too, and also got mind-wiped.

Steph, I'd be truly amazed f that were true. Taking down Batman? That's one thing. Strip it all down and he's still just a guy, although on another day I could be convinced of him taking down Zatanna, Green Lantern, etc. The fact that they beat him doesn't bother me in the least. However, them beating Supes that easy? That would bug me.

No, I'm thinking that, while Supes probably has a clue what went on, and kept mum about it, I think he's laregely uninvolved. And other Leaguers weren't there, either--J'Onn, Aquaman, Red Tornado, Hawkgirl, Firestorm. (All depending on timing, of course.)

Victor, totally. It just seemed weird to me.

Can't Zatanna take Superman just as easily as she can Batman?

Well, ita, that's debatable. I'd have to say it would depend on the day. Superman IS vulnerable to magic, and he's more inclined to hold back than Batman is, so it's possible. But even vulnerable to magic, it's still a toss up.

From the scenario I remember, didn't all it take was getting the drop on him coming in? Hero teleports up, puts two and two together, gets mad, makes a move, gets frozen. Admittedly, Superman's "make a move" has the potential to be lightning fast, but it's so rarely shown that way. Which bothers me, to be honest. And that's assuming that Superman would have gotten four so quickly -- I know what they were doing to Dr. Light, but it didn't at all seem obvious.

I'm not thinking that Superman was there, nor that Batman can take Superman in a fight -- just that, as depicted, the panic would have worked just about as well for anyone, not just a mortal.

You're probably right. Like I said, it all depends on the day. It's doubtful Supes would have reacted the exact same way as Bats, or that they wouldn't have been immediately deferential to Superman's superness. Which happens sometimes. For that matter, Green Arrow's already hinted that Supes may well have an idea what's happened, and turned a blind eye to it, so who knows?