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Tom Scola - Oct 02, 2004 7:49:29 am PDT #6109 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

This week I got Carnet de Voyage, the new book by Craig Thompson. It's basically a sketchbook diary of his travels in Europe and Morocco.

I really liked it. It's really authentic and heartfelt, and the artwork is gorgeous, especially considering that it's just a sketchbook, and part way along the trip he lost his art supplies, and some of the drawings are in ballpoint pen.

I read his first GN, Goodbye Chunky Rice, but I passed on his second book, Blankets, mostly because I was intimidated by its size (600 pages). I'm going to have to go back and read it now.


DXMachina - Oct 02, 2004 7:57:17 am PDT #6110 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

It was a light microscope.

Pffft. It was a television microscope. They're extra special. Television microscopes can even be used to determine molecular stuctures.


Gris - Oct 02, 2004 8:37:46 am PDT #6111 of 10000
Hey. New board.

I watched a couple of episodes of the X-Men cartoon, and I just can't handle it. X-Men as superheroes well beyond their power bothers me. Rogue should not be able to fly around, pick up a tree, and knock down large juggernaut-sized mutants with it. She doesn't have super-strength in my mind.

'Course, i'm missing a lot of X-Men canon in the comic world, too. So maybe this happens at some point (a friend of mine suggested that she sucked up the powers of a dying Wonderwoman???) - so far, I'm only familiar with movie-Rogue and the much different but nonetheless limited Ultimate-Rogue.

Is Scott supposed to be strong enough to break metal chains without using his eye-thing? I don't think he is. Another example.

I don't mind the concept of "X-Men are superheroes, let's make them all Superman/Wonderwoman" in theory. I just can't watch it.


askye - Oct 02, 2004 8:47:43 am PDT #6112 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

I'm a little sketchy on my X Men canon, but when Rogue was still with Mystique and bad she absorbed Ms. Marvel's personality and powers. Something happened and she kept Ms. Marvel's powers which included flight, super human strength, etc.

I think she ended up with Ms. Marvel's personality at one point too.


victor infante - Oct 02, 2004 8:48:04 am PDT #6113 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Rogue should not be able to fly around, pick up a tree, and knock down large juggernaut-sized mutants with it. She doesn't have super-strength in my mind.

Uhm, Rogue had Ms. Marvel's (Carol Danvers, now called Warbird) powers for most of her existence in the real Marvel Universe. Indeed, the accident of permanently draining Carol's powers and memories was what lead to Rogue reforming. IIRCC, she's currently devoid of all her powers, but remains with the X-Men.

Is Scott supposed to be strong enough to break metal chains without using his eye-thing? I don't think he is. Another example.

This one,on the other hand, I've got nothing for.


Gandalfe - Oct 02, 2004 8:58:32 am PDT #6114 of 10000
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

I'm a little sketchy on my X Men canon, but when Rogue was still with Mystique and bad she absorbed Ms. Marvel's personality and powers. Something happened and she kept Ms. Marvel's powers which included flight, super human strength, etc.

She sucked her completely dry - held on to her for so long, that it was permanent. One of the side effects was that she took her mind/personality as well, which is why she became a good guy.

In fact, it wasn't until I'd been reading X-Men for a while that I realised that the superstrength/flight/invulerability wasn't actually Rogue's power.

Is Scott supposed to be strong enough to break metal chains without using his eye-thing? I don't think he is. Another example.

Ummmm . . . . They were really WEAK chains?


DavidS - Oct 02, 2004 8:59:05 am PDT #6115 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Rogue should not be able to fly around, pick up a tree, and knock down large juggernaut-sized mutants with it. She doesn't have super-strength in my mind.

Uhm, Rogue had Ms. Marvel's (Carol Danvers, now called Warbird) powers for most of her existence in the real Marvel Universe.

I was gonna say, Rogue's been super strong/flying most of her career.


Polter-Cow - Oct 02, 2004 9:11:54 am PDT #6116 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

In fact, I think I remember the Ms. Marvel bit being in the cartoon at one point, which is how I learned about it.


Mr. Broom - Oct 02, 2004 2:19:10 pm PDT #6117 of 10000
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

IIRCC, she's currently devoid of all her powers, but remains with the X-Men.
She and Gambit both lost their powers for a time, then regained them. I think it was Marvel's way of ironing out the ridiculousness of her powers after she absorbed a Skrull and had even less control of her power manifestations than before. Now she's back to being Rogue like we know her.
Pffft. It was a television microscope. They're extra special. Television microscopes can even be used to determine molecular stuctures.
Exactly. C'mon, P-C, you'll accept the fact that Wolverine's claws, when sheathed, don't make his wrists entirely immobile, but you'll balk at an explanation-expediting piece of science-botchin? You must learn to suspend your disbelief more consistently. I know, I know, it's hitting you professionally.


Gris - Oct 02, 2004 2:27:20 pm PDT #6118 of 10000
Hey. New board.

Okay. I accept all of that. It makes sense. It annoys me, though - I like Rogue better without those powers. Hmmph. Maybe if they ever do that story in Ultimate canon, I'll convert.