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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


victor infante - May 12, 2004 6:24:37 pm PDT #2737 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

blue girl is called Indigo and she is an alien

Actually, Indigo's not an alien. She's an android from the future.

Yeah, I know. That's lots better.

The tattooed woman is Grace and she used to tend bar and get in fights. (I don't really know her back story.)

Grace was a bouncer at a club for metahumans, and that's pretty much the only backstory that exists on her. Except that she knows a Hell of a lot of super-heroes, and has slept with, at the very least, Arsenel, Green Arrow (Oliver Queen version) and Plastic Man.


sumi - May 12, 2004 6:27:03 pm PDT #2738 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Okay, Indigo was some sort of assassin android from the future, right? Who was somehow reprogrammed or something to not be just an assassin? (At the same lab where they grew Metamorpho, I think.)


shrift - May 12, 2004 6:27:54 pm PDT #2739 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Ahem. Plei? I went to the comic store after work, rushed home, read Nightwing #93, and have been going batshit ever since. EEeeeeeeee!

Having said that, I'm gonna be wanting some damn Dick comfort sex fic to come of this arc. At least, in the fan fic. Because I don't think the more-than-kinda-icky Tarantula sex on the roof counts.


P.M. Marc - May 12, 2004 7:28:14 pm PDT #2740 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Shrift, no shit. Though if he continues to have icky, twisted, uncomfortable, fully-clothed, kiss-free, yet somehow oddly hot broken sex, I'll be cool with that.

Huh. This, umm... hit some of the buttons Faith torturing Wes hit and some of the buttons that Buffy and Spike hit in Smashed and some new buttons I didn't know I had and I'm kind of ashamed of that because this was SO FUCKING WRONG, yet so inevitable.


Michele T. - May 12, 2004 8:01:24 pm PDT #2741 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

That wasn't hot , that was rape, more or less. At least that's how I read it.


P.M. Marc - May 12, 2004 8:17:44 pm PDT #2742 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Well, as Shrift knows, given that we've had this discussion about Wes and Faith and exactly what she did to him, it hits a weird fucked up narrative kink of mine. Which, if I think about it, isn't even about sex so much as it is about the way in which it twists and fucks with various assumptions the characters have about themselves and that we as readers have about the characters. It's hard to explain it on my lack of sleep. (and, in bad form, I was carrying over some thoughts I'd had in chat w/Shrift into thread)

I think what happened is wrong, very wrong, exceedingly wrong (my own kinks aside--and don't get me wrong, I was as horrified as I was fascinated), I'm now stuck on "huh, so, where exactly are they going with this, given what they've revealed in the promos for upcoming issues?" aspect, which I do think could possibly be something like S6 BtVS if it had actually been done correctly.

The tough part's going to be now that Devin Grayson has broken him, how she's going to manage to put him back together. I don't think there's much more bottom for him to hit. This is nadir, or should be.

Which, of course, just makes me wonder what sort of changes this will cause, long-term.


sumi - May 12, 2004 8:45:43 pm PDT #2743 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

yes, I don't get how he can be put back together again. What is the time-frame for this? I've just read 75-93 and it seems like it was actually w/i this very short period of time. (For the characters.)


Volans - May 13, 2004 2:02:53 am PDT #2744 of 10000
move out and draw fire

OK, I've read Transmetropolitan. Or at least the first three tpbs. That's one skanky-ass cat.

Also, Unclear Thesis City. I mean, I've laughed and I've cried (really), but from page to page I'm not sure what the author's point is, or what Spider's point is. Which is okay for Spider; he's inconsistent and just maybe on one long tear-assing rant. But Warren Ellis seems to have some points to make, and I'm having a hard time pulling them out. Do people suck? Are people basically redeemable?

The one point I think I'm fairly sure of is We Haven't Learned From The Past.

Still, I'm enjoying the heck out of them.


shrift - May 13, 2004 4:17:11 am PDT #2745 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Plei, I haven't decided yet whether I get the Wes/Faith vibe off Nightwing and Tarantula, and I think this is partly to do with the fact that I cared about Faith, but Tarantula? Not so much. I may have to re-read the issue a couple ten more times to decide.

Meep.


P.M. Marc - May 13, 2004 4:28:13 am PDT #2746 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Shrift, I can see where that would make a difference. Though, really, the smothering creepy part is that (getting more into S6 Spike here) Catalina seems to think she's doing the right thing, where Faith... didn't.