This is so nice. Having everyone together for my birthday. Of course, you could smash in all my toes with a hammer and it will still be the bestest Buffy Birthday Bash in a big long while.

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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


askye - May 12, 2004 5:40:21 pm PDT #2727 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Okay. So what I really have are trade paperbacks...glad that was cleared up.


P.M. Marc - May 12, 2004 5:41:38 pm PDT #2728 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

where can I get the start of Cassandra's story

No Man's Land

how Tim figured out who Batman was

A Lonely Place of Dying

What's the deal with Shiva?

Shiva operates under her own moral code. It's a thing.

The trade of Outsiders will pretty much answer most of your questions. (It collects 1-7 of the series).

Crap. I have more to read, and it's Angel night, and I just want to wallow in Nightwing.


askye - May 12, 2004 5:45:30 pm PDT #2729 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

I had Batgirl No Man's Land in my hand today! But I was good and put it down.

I'll have to ask about the trade for The Outisiders, I bought #11 and #9 today. Despite the fact I was confused I really liked it. Also GCPD---who said it was like Homicide because I got that kind of feel.


DavidS - May 12, 2004 5:46:33 pm PDT #2730 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Crap. I have more to read, and it's Angel night, and I just want to wallow in Nightwing.

You have transitioned already, haven't you? It's like they set up this schedule just to highlight your shift in fandom loyalties. (aka obsessions)


P.M. Marc - May 12, 2004 5:47:26 pm PDT #2731 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It is like Homicide.

Only on paper, and with the occasional guy in tights.


P.M. Marc - May 12, 2004 5:52:31 pm PDT #2732 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

You have transitioned already, haven't you? It's like they set up this schedule just to highlight your shift in fandom loyalties. (aka obsessions)

Yeah. I have. It's weird.


sumi - May 12, 2004 6:14:26 pm PDT #2733 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Me! I said it.

And I have nothing left to contribute because I am not caught up in Nightwing.

Ummm, except in the Outsiders the blue girl is called Indigo and she is an alien, the stretchy guy is called Metamorpho and he has another name (Rex?) - but he's not really Rex he's something that grew from some of Rex' tissue. He's like a clone of Rex. Arsenal, i.e., Roy -- is the blond and he used to be the Green Archer's assistant. The green girl is Jade and she is the Green Lantern's daughter. The tattooed woman is Grace and she used to tend bar and get in fights. (I don't really know her back story.) The last woman is Thunder and she can make herself really really dense and her father was a super hero named Black Lightning.

Does that help?


Holli - May 12, 2004 6:15:03 pm PDT #2734 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Plei, what happened to Nightwing? I'm concerned all out of proportion to my actual investment in these fictional characters.

No, wait... my investment in these ficitonal characters has grown all out of proportion to REALITY. Dammit.


§ ita § - May 12, 2004 6:21:25 pm PDT #2735 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Metamorpho and Black Lightning were in the original Outsiders, which was run by Batman.

Nightwing and Arsenal were teammates in the Teen Titans up until recently -- it broke up when the artist formerly known as Wonder Girl was killed.


DavidS - May 12, 2004 6:23:23 pm PDT #2736 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Metamorpho and Black Lightning were in the original Outsiders, which was run by Batman.

Art by Alan Davis. His first American series after Marvelman/Miracleman, if I recall.