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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


sumi - May 12, 2004 6:14:26 pm PDT #2733 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Me! I said it.

And I have nothing left to contribute because I am not caught up in Nightwing.

Ummm, except in the Outsiders the blue girl is called Indigo and she is an alien, the stretchy guy is called Metamorpho and he has another name (Rex?) - but he's not really Rex he's something that grew from some of Rex' tissue. He's like a clone of Rex. Arsenal, i.e., Roy -- is the blond and he used to be the Green Archer's assistant. The green girl is Jade and she is the Green Lantern's daughter. The tattooed woman is Grace and she used to tend bar and get in fights. (I don't really know her back story.) The last woman is Thunder and she can make herself really really dense and her father was a super hero named Black Lightning.

Does that help?


Holli - May 12, 2004 6:15:03 pm PDT #2734 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Plei, what happened to Nightwing? I'm concerned all out of proportion to my actual investment in these fictional characters.

No, wait... my investment in these ficitonal characters has grown all out of proportion to REALITY. Dammit.


§ ita § - May 12, 2004 6:21:25 pm PDT #2735 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Metamorpho and Black Lightning were in the original Outsiders, which was run by Batman.

Nightwing and Arsenal were teammates in the Teen Titans up until recently -- it broke up when the artist formerly known as Wonder Girl was killed.


DavidS - May 12, 2004 6:23:23 pm PDT #2736 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Metamorpho and Black Lightning were in the original Outsiders, which was run by Batman.

Art by Alan Davis. His first American series after Marvelman/Miracleman, if I recall.


victor infante - May 12, 2004 6:24:37 pm PDT #2737 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

blue girl is called Indigo and she is an alien

Actually, Indigo's not an alien. She's an android from the future.

Yeah, I know. That's lots better.

The tattooed woman is Grace and she used to tend bar and get in fights. (I don't really know her back story.)

Grace was a bouncer at a club for metahumans, and that's pretty much the only backstory that exists on her. Except that she knows a Hell of a lot of super-heroes, and has slept with, at the very least, Arsenel, Green Arrow (Oliver Queen version) and Plastic Man.


sumi - May 12, 2004 6:27:03 pm PDT #2738 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Okay, Indigo was some sort of assassin android from the future, right? Who was somehow reprogrammed or something to not be just an assassin? (At the same lab where they grew Metamorpho, I think.)


shrift - May 12, 2004 6:27:54 pm PDT #2739 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Ahem. Plei? I went to the comic store after work, rushed home, read Nightwing #93, and have been going batshit ever since. EEeeeeeeee!

Having said that, I'm gonna be wanting some damn Dick comfort sex fic to come of this arc. At least, in the fan fic. Because I don't think the more-than-kinda-icky Tarantula sex on the roof counts.


P.M. Marc - May 12, 2004 7:28:14 pm PDT #2740 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Shrift, no shit. Though if he continues to have icky, twisted, uncomfortable, fully-clothed, kiss-free, yet somehow oddly hot broken sex, I'll be cool with that.

Huh. This, umm... hit some of the buttons Faith torturing Wes hit and some of the buttons that Buffy and Spike hit in Smashed and some new buttons I didn't know I had and I'm kind of ashamed of that because this was SO FUCKING WRONG, yet so inevitable.


Michele T. - May 12, 2004 8:01:24 pm PDT #2741 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

That wasn't hot , that was rape, more or less. At least that's how I read it.


P.M. Marc - May 12, 2004 8:17:44 pm PDT #2742 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Well, as Shrift knows, given that we've had this discussion about Wes and Faith and exactly what she did to him, it hits a weird fucked up narrative kink of mine. Which, if I think about it, isn't even about sex so much as it is about the way in which it twists and fucks with various assumptions the characters have about themselves and that we as readers have about the characters. It's hard to explain it on my lack of sleep. (and, in bad form, I was carrying over some thoughts I'd had in chat w/Shrift into thread)

I think what happened is wrong, very wrong, exceedingly wrong (my own kinks aside--and don't get me wrong, I was as horrified as I was fascinated), I'm now stuck on "huh, so, where exactly are they going with this, given what they've revealed in the promos for upcoming issues?" aspect, which I do think could possibly be something like S6 BtVS if it had actually been done correctly.

The tough part's going to be now that Devin Grayson has broken him, how she's going to manage to put him back together. I don't think there's much more bottom for him to hit. This is nadir, or should be.

Which, of course, just makes me wonder what sort of changes this will cause, long-term.