Tracy: 'When you can't run, you crawl... and when you can't crawl, when you can't do that--' Zoe: 'You find someone to carry you.'

'The Message'


Heroes 1: We Could Be Heroes  

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Topic!Cindy - May 01, 2007 6:41:08 am PDT #688 of 5028
What is even happening?

when Mohinder did the dramatic thing and cut the strings where Sylar killed Claire and the whole structure collapsed all I could think was how they lost all that organization, how would thhey ever figure out what was going on!

I know!! (And supports my "Mohinder is an idiot no matter how pretty he is" theory.)

Yes! I've resisted Mohinder-crit up until now (well, except for when he failed to kill Sylar), but I may have yelled at my TV when he snipped the strings. That was just stupid.

I mean even if the timeline vanishes, future!Hiro went back to our time at least once. If that vanishes then the timeline never changes in the first place. So Future!Sylar can go back.
I don't think that ought to be able vanish -- that Future!Sylar ought to be able to time travel, at least not right now. Present!Hiro's power sort of controlled the Five-Years-Hence stuff happened last night. By poofing back to the present he effectively stopped it all. It was no longer happening.


Polter-Cow - May 01, 2007 8:02:28 am PDT #689 of 5028
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The magical world of LJ has clarified something else: when we meet Future Hiro in the first scene, he's just gotten back from giving Peter the message. That's why he's surprised that Peter saved Claire (aaaaalso, it now makes sense, with the latest comic, that Hiro would go back to give a message to PETER, of all people), and yet the future was still the same.

So you guys are confusing me with the timeline.

I love that this big pronouncement that so much of the beginning of the series was based on was based on false assumptions and, now, demonstrably wrong.

It's not wrong, though, right? Originally, Sylar did explode, and it's because he had Claire's powers that he was able to do that and live (he wouldn't have done it suicidally). Clearly, saving the cheerleader hasn't saved the world YET, but it will.


DebetEsse - May 01, 2007 8:19:47 am PDT #690 of 5028
Woe to the fucking wicked.

We don't know that. It may have been Sylar, or it may have always been Peter--although I am more convinced by the "it used to be Sylar, but the timeline changed" POV


Polter-Cow - May 01, 2007 8:48:33 am PDT #691 of 5028
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Right, because Peter got his dream after he saved the cheerleader.

Plus, the comic says so.


DCJensen - May 01, 2007 8:59:06 am PDT #692 of 5028
All is well that ends in pizza.

Wait, I think I have this: it's in the vision Peter had, where he's about to blow up and everybody is fleeing him, except for Nathan. He's walking up close, presumably to fly him away to the moon, and there's some line about their deep, abiding brotherly love.

OTHO? If Nathan does get to him early enough, he can fly him off away from the city, maybe over the Atlantic.

Nathan would not survive, but a very wounded and suffering Peter would return.

On still another hand, Peter could HIMSELF fly away when he feels he's going nuclear.

I'm still thinking Peter could absorb explosive guy's power, and Sylar in the original timeline also got to explosive guy. And it was too much for either Peter or Sylar to control.

Peter has the advantage over Sylar...he can fly.

Unless Sylar "Meets" Nathan before the conflagration.

ETA: Wrote this before I went out for a bit, forgot to post it, or my internet went down, or the router. My dog ate it.

"We named the dog Indiana."


Jon B. - May 01, 2007 9:18:50 am PDT #693 of 5028
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Plus, the comic says so.

What does it say, and where?


Tom Scola - May 01, 2007 9:36:08 am PDT #694 of 5028
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

It says so in comic #30, but it was from Future!Hiro's POV.


Una - May 01, 2007 10:12:31 am PDT #695 of 5028
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.

Jumping to end again (hard keeping up with y'all with the thesis writing, what can I say):

I remember this headache. I used to call it McFly.

Hee! also, I'm loving this about Heroes: they don't try to get into the time-bendy explanation. They let you think what you want. Star Trek always got into trouble when they tried to explain it and pretend like they were using actual science (@@).

If wanting to keep scarred!badass!Peter is wrong, I don't want to be right.


Jon B. - May 01, 2007 10:13:12 am PDT #696 of 5028
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

it was from Future!Hiro's POV.

True, but "I stabbed him before he exploded, but he regenerated" is about as first-hand as you can get. -t's theory is looking even better.


Typo Boy - May 01, 2007 10:42:54 am PDT #697 of 5028
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I'm loving this about Heroes: they don't try to get into the time-bendy explanation.

Right. Which is why after they kill Sylar they can bring his alternate future timeline self back any time they want.

"You may have got my timeline assholes, but I traveled in time before its destruction.; I'll create a future you'll like even less."

The logic behind may be complicated, but nothing real complicated is needed in the script. Whether they actually do this or not is all about the Meta. If Sylar is a popular enough villain and the actor is available when they decide they want him, of course they will bring him back.