We'd be dead. Can't get paid if you're dead.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Heroes 1: We Could Be Heroes  

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Typo Boy - May 29, 2007 4:50:42 pm PDT #1455 of 5028
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah, but the dream he had when he thought stuff was going to explode wasn't the same as the sort of go-back-in-time kind of setup with Charles.

I would imagine that dream walking is different after you get time traveling ability. Regardless, it was also pretty clear that Peter's vision of himself exploding was some sort of prophetic vision, because Issac saw the same thing.

And they made it clear that Nathan's sacrifice was needed. We can argue about why, but it is pretty obvious that Peter's powers were out of control and he couldn't fly.


Jon B. - May 29, 2007 5:13:33 pm PDT #1456 of 5028
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

The new comic, a four-parter has potential. It give us backstory on the Haitian.


sumi - May 29, 2007 5:17:52 pm PDT #1457 of 5028
Art Crawl!!!

Excellent! Must go read.


Typo Boy - May 29, 2007 5:18:57 pm PDT #1458 of 5028
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

If you haven't read the two before that, they make the whole "wireless" character pay off.


Jon B. - May 30, 2007 4:44:29 am PDT #1459 of 5028
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Dick Cheney's least favorite TV show?

An interesting take on Heroes by Juan Cole in Salon.


victor infante - May 31, 2007 11:04:44 am PDT #1460 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

BTW -- Got the Nielsen ratings for tomorrow's paper (We're a day off because of the holiday) -- The "Heroes" finale was 8th overall for the week.


Burrell - May 31, 2007 7:46:15 pm PDT #1461 of 5028
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

And they made it clear that Nathan's sacrifice was needed. We can argue about why, but it is pretty obvious that Peter's powers were out of control and he couldn't fly.

There was also the shoot-Peter-in-the-base-of-the-head solution, remember? And if Nathan wanted to spare his daughter from the mental torment of shooting Peter, he could have done that himself. It's not like Claire was the only one who could get near him.

Nope, Nathan's sacrifice was more necessary for plot reasons than for logical ones.


aurelia - May 31, 2007 9:47:21 pm PDT #1462 of 5028
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I think Nathan's sacrifice was necessary for Nathan's character arc. But I'm not convinced that it'll turn out to be a fatal choice. Hey, maybe Nathan will end up being the one with the scar!


victor infante - Jun 01, 2007 4:16:41 am PDT #1463 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I think the Salon article above makes a good argument for Nathan's actions, in Nathan's rejection of killing as a solution mirroring his rejection of letting people die for a hypothetical greater good -- it's ultimately a rejection of doing evil for allegedly good ends. (I say allegedly because we've seen where that future ends up, although Nathan had only the barest awareness of that from Hiro shouting at him. Still, I think Hiro did make a dent in his armor.)

Moreover, I really read that scene as Nathan was willing to risk himself for the possibility that no one else had to die, including Peter and himself. At worse, he's sacrificed himself to save New York (and kept Claire, or anyone else at that, from having blood on her hands) and at best, they both live. It's a slim possibility of hope, but that's better than the cold-blooded "practicality" that Linderman and Angela (and even Bennet, really) have espoused. He took a gamble on love. Which, really, is Peter's schtick.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2007 4:44:31 am PDT #1464 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Heh, I almost wonder if on another level if Nathan was just as happy to not be around after he went against Mama Petrelli's wishes. That's probably a confrontation he'd just as soon miss.