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Heroes 1: We Could Be Heroes  

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Jon B. - May 30, 2007 4:44:29 am PDT #1459 of 5028
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Dick Cheney's least favorite TV show?

An interesting take on Heroes by Juan Cole in Salon.


victor infante - May 31, 2007 11:04:44 am PDT #1460 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

BTW -- Got the Nielsen ratings for tomorrow's paper (We're a day off because of the holiday) -- The "Heroes" finale was 8th overall for the week.


Burrell - May 31, 2007 7:46:15 pm PDT #1461 of 5028
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

And they made it clear that Nathan's sacrifice was needed. We can argue about why, but it is pretty obvious that Peter's powers were out of control and he couldn't fly.

There was also the shoot-Peter-in-the-base-of-the-head solution, remember? And if Nathan wanted to spare his daughter from the mental torment of shooting Peter, he could have done that himself. It's not like Claire was the only one who could get near him.

Nope, Nathan's sacrifice was more necessary for plot reasons than for logical ones.


aurelia - May 31, 2007 9:47:21 pm PDT #1462 of 5028
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I think Nathan's sacrifice was necessary for Nathan's character arc. But I'm not convinced that it'll turn out to be a fatal choice. Hey, maybe Nathan will end up being the one with the scar!


victor infante - Jun 01, 2007 4:16:41 am PDT #1463 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I think the Salon article above makes a good argument for Nathan's actions, in Nathan's rejection of killing as a solution mirroring his rejection of letting people die for a hypothetical greater good -- it's ultimately a rejection of doing evil for allegedly good ends. (I say allegedly because we've seen where that future ends up, although Nathan had only the barest awareness of that from Hiro shouting at him. Still, I think Hiro did make a dent in his armor.)

Moreover, I really read that scene as Nathan was willing to risk himself for the possibility that no one else had to die, including Peter and himself. At worse, he's sacrificed himself to save New York (and kept Claire, or anyone else at that, from having blood on her hands) and at best, they both live. It's a slim possibility of hope, but that's better than the cold-blooded "practicality" that Linderman and Angela (and even Bennet, really) have espoused. He took a gamble on love. Which, really, is Peter's schtick.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2007 4:44:31 am PDT #1464 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Heh, I almost wonder if on another level if Nathan was just as happy to not be around after he went against Mama Petrelli's wishes. That's probably a confrontation he'd just as soon miss.


Tom Scola - Jun 01, 2007 5:14:38 am PDT #1465 of 5028
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I wanna see a guilt-off between Mama Petrelli and Hiro.


WindSparrow - Jun 01, 2007 5:17:27 am PDT #1466 of 5028
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Geez. Sylar's mom, Mrs. Petrelli. What is it with these women? If I had a kid who was brilliant at repairing watches, I would be soooooooooo proud, because that is an extremely cool skill. How would he have turned out differently with someone telling him he was awesome and amazingly special just as he is? and as for the Petrelli's, having a kid who would willingly sacrifice his life to save others over being POTUS - well, look what kind of sumbitches have been President over the years - that would break my heart with how great a man he had turned out to be, even while my heart was breaking with loosing him. What IS it with these women!? Oh, right. They are fictional.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2007 5:18:53 am PDT #1467 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I hope we find that Mama Petrelli's certainty has been shaken up a little next season. I figure if Noah can be as redeemed as much as he has (two to the head is still a bit in the gray range, though I applauded the act all the same), than maybe there's hope for Mater.


WindSparrow - Jun 01, 2007 5:29:46 am PDT #1468 of 5028
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I wanna see a guilt-off between Mama Petrelli and Hiro.

Hmm. Having to target each other would definitely give the advantage to Mrs. Petrelli, because I get the feeling she's got a Teflon coating around her conscience. UNLESS she was silly enough to take Hiro up on a topic on which he was very sure of what the right thing was. In which case, his cast iron with actual rightness conscience would trump the cheap non-stick, much like real life skillets.

But then again, I can definitely see Hiro's tender heart taking some deep hits of false guilt for doing the right thing even when it hurt... someone else. But it is a precious, precious quality that he is always trying to not only do the right thing, but also to do the right thing in the right way.