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Heroes 1: We Could Be Heroes  

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victor infante - Jun 01, 2007 4:16:41 am PDT #1463 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I think the Salon article above makes a good argument for Nathan's actions, in Nathan's rejection of killing as a solution mirroring his rejection of letting people die for a hypothetical greater good -- it's ultimately a rejection of doing evil for allegedly good ends. (I say allegedly because we've seen where that future ends up, although Nathan had only the barest awareness of that from Hiro shouting at him. Still, I think Hiro did make a dent in his armor.)

Moreover, I really read that scene as Nathan was willing to risk himself for the possibility that no one else had to die, including Peter and himself. At worse, he's sacrificed himself to save New York (and kept Claire, or anyone else at that, from having blood on her hands) and at best, they both live. It's a slim possibility of hope, but that's better than the cold-blooded "practicality" that Linderman and Angela (and even Bennet, really) have espoused. He took a gamble on love. Which, really, is Peter's schtick.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2007 4:44:31 am PDT #1464 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Heh, I almost wonder if on another level if Nathan was just as happy to not be around after he went against Mama Petrelli's wishes. That's probably a confrontation he'd just as soon miss.


Tom Scola - Jun 01, 2007 5:14:38 am PDT #1465 of 5028
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I wanna see a guilt-off between Mama Petrelli and Hiro.


WindSparrow - Jun 01, 2007 5:17:27 am PDT #1466 of 5028
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Geez. Sylar's mom, Mrs. Petrelli. What is it with these women? If I had a kid who was brilliant at repairing watches, I would be soooooooooo proud, because that is an extremely cool skill. How would he have turned out differently with someone telling him he was awesome and amazingly special just as he is? and as for the Petrelli's, having a kid who would willingly sacrifice his life to save others over being POTUS - well, look what kind of sumbitches have been President over the years - that would break my heart with how great a man he had turned out to be, even while my heart was breaking with loosing him. What IS it with these women!? Oh, right. They are fictional.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2007 5:18:53 am PDT #1467 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I hope we find that Mama Petrelli's certainty has been shaken up a little next season. I figure if Noah can be as redeemed as much as he has (two to the head is still a bit in the gray range, though I applauded the act all the same), than maybe there's hope for Mater.


WindSparrow - Jun 01, 2007 5:29:46 am PDT #1468 of 5028
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I wanna see a guilt-off between Mama Petrelli and Hiro.

Hmm. Having to target each other would definitely give the advantage to Mrs. Petrelli, because I get the feeling she's got a Teflon coating around her conscience. UNLESS she was silly enough to take Hiro up on a topic on which he was very sure of what the right thing was. In which case, his cast iron with actual rightness conscience would trump the cheap non-stick, much like real life skillets.

But then again, I can definitely see Hiro's tender heart taking some deep hits of false guilt for doing the right thing even when it hurt... someone else. But it is a precious, precious quality that he is always trying to not only do the right thing, but also to do the right thing in the right way.


Vortex - Jun 01, 2007 5:44:29 am PDT #1469 of 5028
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

There was also the shoot-Peter-in-the-base-of-the-head solution, remember? And if Nathan wanted to spare his daughter from the mental torment of shooting Peter, he could have done that himself. It's not like Claire was the only one who could get near him.

Like it's not traumatic to watch your dad shoot your brother in the head? Plus, Nathan didn't know the special spot. I also think that this was something that Nathan felt like he needed to do, to make that choice to put someone else ahead of himself. I don't know that Nathan could have brought himself to shoot Peter anyway.


Trudy Booth - Jun 01, 2007 5:47:34 am PDT #1470 of 5028
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

And really, if your super power is to fly and you've been denying this, it is MUCH more dramatically satisfying to woosh him away in your loving brotherly embrace than to cap him.


le nubian - Jun 01, 2007 5:48:29 am PDT #1471 of 5028
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Windsparrow, for Mama Petrelli, it is a bit more problematic than even that.

She really thought it would "save the world" if all of NYC went down. So it wasn't even appropriate for her to try to save her son Peter from decades of guilt. She could have stopped all this crap from coming about in the first place if she had just put Peter under anesthesia for a week or two.


Jon B. - Jun 01, 2007 6:12:27 am PDT #1472 of 5028
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

>I'm hope we find that Mama Petrelli's certainty has been shaken up a little next season.

I should hope so, given that she was certain NYC would go boom. I don't think she wanted the explosion to happen; but she thought it was inevitable and wanted to make the best of it.