I've only really paid attention to what one relative was taught about US slavery, and the answer was also "not that much." Her history book did dwell on slavery practiced in South America, but pretty much glossed over its existence up here.

However, it appears that even the US slave trade was not synonymous with dislocation, just majorly overlapping. So they should shut up.

Yeah, I kinda get going during slavery discussions. Blame my parents. They installed the wiring.

Yeah, I kinda get going during slavery discussions.

The more I've learned about it over the years since I left high school, the more het up I get about it, too. And not just in the feeling disgusted it ever happened way, but when the facts gets fucked up. So many people still believe that a bunchof Southerners from the US sailed their way over to Africa, kidnapped people, and brought them here. It didn't happen that way. The way it did happen is just as horrific and for the most part, even more so, but learn the facts about the slave trade. In order to understand the Civil War at all, you have to understand the underpinnings of the slave trade AND slavery in order to understand why the South seceeded.

One classmate went so far as to say that neither example was slavery because they weren't removed from their countries.

Not to mention that, by that standard, neither the Greeks nor the Romans (nor any number of other civilizations in which you could end up owned by another person for reasons ranging from the Aimée's-classmate-approved "Lost the war, was forcibly taken from homeland" to "Owe the rich family at the other end of town more than I could pay back in a year" to "My dad has too many daughters and the local temple needs whorespriestesses") practiced slavery at all.

eta: Plus, as ita and others note, the huge gap during which slave-owning nations had enough homegrown slaves to no longer need to import them, which by classmate's definition makes it not slavery. Not enough @@ in the world.

Narrowing the definition like that really spiffs up 98% of human history, doesn't it? Or, not.

ION, fuck. Not getting paid until 2/7 at the earliest. Stabbity stab stab.

Also, my daughter is off being unbearably cute someplace halfway across town and I'm not there.

However, it's Olivia's natal day, which is news of great and delicious awesomeness! Wishing her bunches of parental raspberries on her belly and a ton of cake gleefully smushed all over.

I'm going on memory as to the exact date, ita, but the slave trade was made illegal in the U.S. in 1808. Chattel slavery was made illegal nationwide by the 13th Amendment in 1865, though the Northern states had prohibited the practice before.

And from your link, Aimée, I'm reminded of Native American slavery, which doesn't have inherent dislocation either.

Tsk, tsk.

which doesn't have inherent dislocation either.

SO PISSED I didn't find that link earlier. I could have included that as well. I just might anyway since it is a discussion week and I need to post more responses.

Happy Birthday to my honeybunny Liv!!!

Tess had stripped naked, drawn some sort of toddler tribal symbols all over her body with bath crayons and was standing in front of her mirror yelling, "YEAAAHH!"

I know many adults who do this.

Hell, I know many *Buffistas* who do this.

Rule One, Tep! You forgot Rule One!

Rule One, Tep! You forgot Rule One!

The who with the what, now?

Um, we don't talk about Fight Naked Club?