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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Dana - Apr 14, 2003 12:20:02 pm PDT #9801 of 10001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I don't think airing complaints here is a good idea. I think it leads to pile-ons. I think there should be a separate e-mail address for such complaints to go to.

If it's done by e-mail, people will complain about the process being secretive. It'll happen. I know it will.


Jessica - Apr 14, 2003 12:20:09 pm PDT #9802 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

All I'm saying is that we need more than just a 10-people-complained-official-warning-time criteria. There are other considerations.

And I want to know what you think they are. From my perspective, the only quantifiable element in a situation like this is how many people are hurt.


Consuela - Apr 14, 2003 12:20:17 pm PDT #9803 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

but there are people who will insult you whenever you enter a conversation, send you nasty emails, and generally make it no fun for you to be part of a community. I wouldn't say "yes, X deserves a warning" if X was like this, because frankly, life is nicer if you're low on X's radar.

Lyra Jane, if someone, veteran or not -- particularly a veteran who should know better -- is behaving in such a manner, it's the duty of every member of the community to speak up.

If you feel that someone is abusing you in this way, say something.

Now, I haven't noticed such behavior but then I'm not in all the threads. If we want to have an unmoderated board then what that means is we all become the moderators, and we're all responsible for maintaining the community standards. We can't hand the responsibility off to ita or the other Stompies, and if one person is offended regularly, chances are others are too.

Speak up.


§ ita § - Apr 14, 2003 12:20:21 pm PDT #9804 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think it leads to pile-ons.

Can we define pile-ons? Is it more than a number of people agreeing about something?


Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 12:20:40 pm PDT #9805 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

No, but there are people who will insult you whenever you enter a conversation,
send you nasty emails, and generally make it no fun for you to be part of a community. I wouldn't say "yes, X deserves a warning" if X was like this, because frankly, life is nicer if you're low on X's radar.

There are people who do this that are Buffistas? Because that is harassment, yo.


Lyra Jane - Apr 14, 2003 12:21:03 pm PDT #9806 of 10001
Up with the sun

I dunno if I'm one of the bullies you are referring to, Lyra Jane.

Huh? No. No one here is.

I'm probaby being melodramatic, but I did pretty much leave a forum recently because I bitched at/about someone and she decided I was The Biggest Idiot in the World and made it pretty much impossible for me to participate in discussions without being reminded I was TBIitW. And I don't want to institute a process that would lead to that for other people.


msbelle - Apr 14, 2003 12:21:16 pm PDT #9807 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Nutty "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Apr 14, 2003 2:12:30 pm EDT

agree.

I need to state a huge love-on I have for theodosia and Kat.

If someone irritates a number of people (insert your number here) and they've been asked to modify posting behavior repeatedly to no avail - Do we do anything about it?

Yes.


Kat - Apr 14, 2003 12:21:48 pm PDT #9808 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Against anonymous complaints especially those made backchannel. In my world, anonymity is used in cases of actual danger and those cases only.

Cannot say it more strongly than that.


Cindy - Apr 14, 2003 12:22:34 pm PDT #9809 of 10001
Nobody

I don't think airing complaints here is a good idea. I think it leads to pile-ons. I think there should be a separate e-mail address for such complaints to go to. Otherwise, I find the stepped process a fine one.

But Michele, we're not a moderated board, on purpose. It's community rule here, as a rule. How does emailing stompies privately accomplish anything. They don't want to decide for us, and for the most part, most of us don't want them to decide for us, either.


Lyra Jane - Apr 14, 2003 12:23:00 pm PDT #9810 of 10001
Up with the sun

There are people who do this that are Buffistas? Because that is harassment, yo.

I'm talking about someone at another forum. But it's not like there are no other jerks on the internet.

if it looked like a group of people with a grudge against 1 person were trying to force someone out that the admins would allow that?

Askye, no -- I was responding to this post from bitterchick:

This bothers me. If the community isn't discussing the matter, how does a Stompy get a consenus that there is an issue? Why should they have to decide if the email raises a valid issue or is just someone trying to stick it to a poster they don't like?