Book: Where's the doctor? Not back yet? Zoe: (beat) We don't make him hurry for the little stuff. He'll be along. Book: He could hurry... a little.

'Safe'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 12:20:40 pm PDT #9805 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

No, but there are people who will insult you whenever you enter a conversation,
send you nasty emails, and generally make it no fun for you to be part of a community. I wouldn't say "yes, X deserves a warning" if X was like this, because frankly, life is nicer if you're low on X's radar.

There are people who do this that are Buffistas? Because that is harassment, yo.


Lyra Jane - Apr 14, 2003 12:21:03 pm PDT #9806 of 10001
Up with the sun

I dunno if I'm one of the bullies you are referring to, Lyra Jane.

Huh? No. No one here is.

I'm probaby being melodramatic, but I did pretty much leave a forum recently because I bitched at/about someone and she decided I was The Biggest Idiot in the World and made it pretty much impossible for me to participate in discussions without being reminded I was TBIitW. And I don't want to institute a process that would lead to that for other people.


msbelle - Apr 14, 2003 12:21:16 pm PDT #9807 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Nutty "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Apr 14, 2003 2:12:30 pm EDT

agree.

I need to state a huge love-on I have for theodosia and Kat.

If someone irritates a number of people (insert your number here) and they've been asked to modify posting behavior repeatedly to no avail - Do we do anything about it?

Yes.


Kat - Apr 14, 2003 12:21:48 pm PDT #9808 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Against anonymous complaints especially those made backchannel. In my world, anonymity is used in cases of actual danger and those cases only.

Cannot say it more strongly than that.


Cindy - Apr 14, 2003 12:22:34 pm PDT #9809 of 10001
Nobody

I don't think airing complaints here is a good idea. I think it leads to pile-ons. I think there should be a separate e-mail address for such complaints to go to. Otherwise, I find the stepped process a fine one.

But Michele, we're not a moderated board, on purpose. It's community rule here, as a rule. How does emailing stompies privately accomplish anything. They don't want to decide for us, and for the most part, most of us don't want them to decide for us, either.


Lyra Jane - Apr 14, 2003 12:23:00 pm PDT #9810 of 10001
Up with the sun

There are people who do this that are Buffistas? Because that is harassment, yo.

I'm talking about someone at another forum. But it's not like there are no other jerks on the internet.

if it looked like a group of people with a grudge against 1 person were trying to force someone out that the admins would allow that?

Askye, no -- I was responding to this post from bitterchick:

This bothers me. If the community isn't discussing the matter, how does a Stompy get a consenus that there is an issue? Why should they have to decide if the email raises a valid issue or is just someone trying to stick it to a poster they don't like?


Jesse - Apr 14, 2003 12:23:16 pm PDT #9811 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

but rule-by-clique could happen just as easily with posts here as with emails.

I don't think that's true at all. There's a pretty diverse group of people who post in here regularly, and we all know that everyone has to have their say.

Here's a thought: instead of a number, how about a preponderance of posters over a certain period of time, say 24 hours. Maybe with a minumum of 10 or something. So Buffista A makes a request for a warning or whatever, everyone can say their piece, and then we see where we are. It seems to me that anytime there's a big discussion like this, the person in question will have defenders, and that's great. I just don't want that to paralyze us.


Kat - Apr 14, 2003 12:23:31 pm PDT #9812 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

~Mwah~

Thanks msbelle. I'm already in the corner with you and Jesse and Jessica and Nutty and many many others.


Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 12:24:42 pm PDT #9813 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Huh? No. No one here is.

Now I'm confused. Was the original post about possible harassment that hasn't happened, here?


Steph L. - Apr 14, 2003 12:27:46 pm PDT #9814 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I'd like to address the issue of Zoe, specifically. This is a post made this morning in the Angel thread: Zoe Ann "Angel 2: No Time for Losers" Apr 14, 2003 10:08:45 am EDT

where she said this:

"and by "vengeful zealots" I he means Buffista's."

I did post after that, asking her to please clarify it, because it sure sounds (to *me*) like she's calling us vengeful zealots.

So...THAT is acceptable behavior?

It's really not. It's rude to the ENTIRE community. I didn't flame her about it, and I didn't even argue with her -- I asked for clarification, because apparently we are to give the rude people the benefit of the doubt.

I agree with askye, msbelle, Jesse (I think), and others who say that WHY did we spend a great great great deal of time working out community standards if *now* we're going to make excuses for the people who willfully violate them repeatedly?