I don't think anyone here is gonna beat you down on the schoolyard.

No, but there are people (Edit: In other fora, not here AFAIK) who will insult you whenever you enter a conversation, send you nasty emails, and generally make it no fun for you to be part of a community. I wouldn't say "yes, X deserves a warning" if X was like this, because frankly, life is nicer if you're low on X's radar.

An email option also is better for lurkers or posters who aren't bureau regulars.

Nutty's outline looks perfect to me.

This bothers me. If the community isn't discussing the matter, how does a Stompy get a consenus that there is an issue? Why should they have to decide if the email raises a valid issue or is just someone trying to stick it to a poster they don't like?

this is another reason I wasn't sure how to bring up my problems with Zoe.

I think complaints should be made publicly so that it's out in the open and people can see.

Mostly I don't think anyone who posts is going to freakass stalker on anyone for saying they have a problem.

All I'm saying is that we need more than just a 10-people-complained-official-warning-time criteria. There are other considerations.

I don't understand what the other consideration is. Surely someone's being offensive if they're offending people, right?

I dunno if I'm one of the bullies you are referring to, Lyra Jane. But in thread, when someone says something, I'll usually either try to reframe what I was saying or I'll apologize. I'm not saying people should not be offensive - cause I'm sure I bristle and offend.

But I am saying that if someone is offended and it is made public to a poster and the poster is dismissive, flippant, rude, unapologetic... well we have a problem.

My issue with her behavior is that it causes turmoil in the community as a whole. Period. 'Cause that's where it is effecting me.

I started this convo with a question about whether or not low-level irritation is warnable and it seems that's where we are hung up. Remove Zoe from the conversation. If someone irritates a number of people (insert your number here) and they've been asked to modify posting behavior repeatedly to no avail (irrespective of whether or not they are capable - and everyone who is going to say it's pointless because she is a capable, remember this is the abstract) - Do we do anything about it? If the answer is no, then I think some of us may be rethinking our habits and posting styles.

Why should they have to decide if the email raises a valid issue or is just someone trying to stick it to a poster they don't like?

Presumably they have eyes, and brains. And I'm talking about email in addition to bureau discussion, not instead of.

It would be theoretically possible for a clique of 10 to all agree to email Stompies about someone who followed the rules, but they didn't like -- but rule-by-clique could happen just as easily with posts here as with emails.

Well, I consider rampant serial posting of utter nonsense to be trollish behaviour.

Right. I'm against anonymous complaints again. Because it puts onus on the Stompies, and blindsides everybody -- including the bystanders, who might have a contribution to make, if only they hadn't been left out of the loop. Maybe it's painful and scary to be totally on-the-record, for events which will be, you know, on-the-record, but it's the only ethical thing to do.

I don't think airing complaints here is a good idea. I think it leads to pile-ons. I think there should be a separate e-mail address for such complaints to go to. Otherwise, I find the stepped process a fine one.

Lyra, you really think that

1) there are groups of 10 that are going to try and push people out of Buffistas on a regular basis

and

2) if it looked like a group of people with a grudge against 1 person were trying to force someone out that the admins would allow that?