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Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
John's principle was correct, but not his math. Here's a simple example:
We vote for mascot. There are three choices -- Monkey, Kafka, and Cheese Man. The first choice results are Monkey-40%; Kafka-35%; Cheese Man-25%. If we weren't voting preferentially, we'd have to have a runoff between Monkey and Kafka. However, since we voted preferentially, the runoff ballot has already been done! We take the ballots of everyone who voted for Cheese Man and resort them based on those ballots second choices. IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME AS A RUNOFF BUT WITHOUT THE EXTRA TIME NECESSARY TO SET UP A WHOLE OTHER BALLOT. thank you.
t edit
and John, if I misunderstood and you had the math right, then I apologise.
If we weren't voting preferentially, we'd have to have a runoff between Monkey and Kafka.
For the simple among us, despite being monkey averse, who gets shafted and how hard if Monkey doesn't win with 40%?
The first choice results are Monkey-40%; Kafka-35%; Cheese Man-25%.
I think the issue is that some people (myself included) are inclined to think that "simple majority" means "Most votes wins", even though with 3 items this is not true.
So, i think what Cindy is saying is that in this case, she believes that Monkey should just win, without a runoff. Correct me if I am misrepresenting you.
For the simple among us, despite being monkey averse, who gets shafted and how hard if Monkey doesn't win with 40%?
Change my example to Monkey-38% and Kafka-37%. I think the Kafkaphiles would want a runoff, don't you?
I'd rather have some kind of ranked preferences than have run-offs if no choice gets 50% of the vote, because otherwise we'll be voting ALL THE FRICKIN TIME.
For the simple among us, despite being monkey averse, who gets shafted and how hard if Monkey doesn't win with 40%?
The people whose first and second choices were Kafka and Cheese Man.
I think the Kafkaphiles would want a runoff, don't you?
Me, I wouldn't. But I guess that's what the voting's about.
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The people whose first and second choices were Kafka and Cheese Man.
Except, again, me.
Sure, if I were voting for a world leader, I might, but ... man.
So, i think what Cindy is saying is that in this case, she believes that Monkey should just win, without a runoff.
If that's true, would you say the same if there were 5 choices and the "winner" received 22%?
The definition of majority is "over 50%". "Most votes" is a plurality.
t /pedantic
Jon, I can't give change from a dollar with any confidence, so no apology necessary. Can you figure out stuff like 40 and 35 and 25 add up to 100, like,
in your head?
We take the ballots of everyone who voted for Cheese Man and resort them based on those ballots second choices.
And does a second-choice vote (I wanted Cheese Man, but hell, if I can't have him then it's Monkey all the way, baby) count as much as a first-choice vote?
Can you do the second stage in detail for us?
Say, if the Cheese voters split 10% Kafka, 15% Monkey?
Say, if the Cheese voters split 10% Kafka, 15% Monkey?
Right. Ummm... what were my numbers again. OK:
Monkey keeps its original 40% plus the 15% from Cheese = 55%.
Kafka keeps its original 35% plus the 10% from Cheese = 45%.
Monkey wins! (go monkey. choose monkey.)
