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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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§ ita § - Mar 03, 2003 2:39:16 pm PST #6281 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the Kafkaphiles would want a runoff, don't you?

Me, I wouldn't. But I guess that's what the voting's about.

edit:

The people whose first and second choices were Kafka and Cheese Man.

Except, again, me.

Sure, if I were voting for a world leader, I might, but ... man.


Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 2:39:38 pm PST #6282 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

So, i think what Cindy is saying is that in this case, she believes that Monkey should just win, without a runoff.

If that's true, would you say the same if there were 5 choices and the "winner" received 22%?

The definition of majority is "over 50%". "Most votes" is a plurality. t /pedantic


John H - Mar 03, 2003 2:39:52 pm PST #6283 of 10001

Jon, I can't give change from a dollar with any confidence, so no apology necessary. Can you figure out stuff like 40 and 35 and 25 add up to 100, like, in your head?

We take the ballots of everyone who voted for Cheese Man and resort them based on those ballots second choices.

And does a second-choice vote (I wanted Cheese Man, but hell, if I can't have him then it's Monkey all the way, baby) count as much as a first-choice vote?

Can you do the second stage in detail for us?

Say, if the Cheese voters split 10% Kafka, 15% Monkey?


Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 2:42:49 pm PST #6284 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Say, if the Cheese voters split 10% Kafka, 15% Monkey?

Right. Ummm... what were my numbers again. OK:

Monkey keeps its original 40% plus the 15% from Cheese = 55%.

Kafka keeps its original 35% plus the 10% from Cheese = 45%.

Monkey wins! (go monkey. choose monkey.)


Gandalfe - Mar 03, 2003 2:43:40 pm PST #6285 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

And what if it's 15% Cheeseheads and 10% Monkeymeat?


Sophia Brooks - Mar 03, 2003 2:45:43 pm PST #6286 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

If that's true, would you say the same if there were 5 choices and the "winner" received 22%?

The definition of majority is "over 50%". "Most votes" is a plurality.

I know this intellectually. but I am wondering if people were sure of this when they voted for simple majority? Anyone else?


Cindy - Mar 03, 2003 2:47:33 pm PST #6287 of 10001
Nobody

John - in the example I gave, there is no preference.

But still, even with preferential, if I only vote my number one choice, aren't I doing it more of a favor than if ...

(this is too mathy for me, let me try again)

Okay say the choices are: Kafka, Whedon and Monkey.

I like Whedon best. I like Kafka second best.

I HATE monkey.

If I rank Whedon as preference number 1, he gets what? Like 3 points. If I rank Kafka second he gets 2 points. If I rank monkey third, he gets a point.

Wouldn't it be smarter for me to give my 3 points only to Whedon, since Whedon is actually running against Kafka and monkey and I don't want them to get any points? Or at least, to only rank Whedon and Kafka, so that monkey gets no points?


Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 2:47:35 pm PST #6288 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

And what if it's 15% Cheeseheads and 10% Monkeymeat?

We're splitting up the second choices of those whose first choice was Cheese, so 15% wouldn't still be Cheese.

Maybe you meant 15% Kafka and 10% Monkey?

Then it's a tie and we have co-mascots. It's the same as if there were a runoff and there was a tie. The preferential ballot just saves us the time required to set-up, vote on, and tabulate a whole other ballot.


Dana - Mar 03, 2003 2:48:17 pm PST #6289 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I know this intellectually. but I am wondering if people were sure of this when they voted for simple majority? Anyone else?

It's the same way the thread-naming used to work, when we did polls for that.


Cindy - Mar 03, 2003 2:49:51 pm PST #6290 of 10001
Nobody

I know this intellectually. but I am wondering if people were sure of this when they voted for simple majority? Anyone else?

Me. I would have worded it more simply in the proposal as "most votes" and not 50%+1.