If we weren't voting preferentially, we'd have to have a runoff between Monkey and Kafka.
For the simple among us, despite being monkey averse, who gets shafted and how hard if Monkey doesn't win with 40%?
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§ ita § - Mar 03, 2003 2:36:07 pm PST #6276 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Sophia Brooks - Mar 03, 2003 2:37:07 pm PST #6277 of 10001
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The first choice results are Monkey-40%; Kafka-35%; Cheese Man-25%.
I think the issue is that some people (myself included) are inclined to think that "simple majority" means "Most votes wins", even though with 3 items this is not true.
So, i think what Cindy is saying is that in this case, she believes that Monkey should just win, without a runoff. Correct me if I am misrepresenting you.
Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 2:37:41 pm PST #6278 of 10001
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For the simple among us, despite being monkey averse, who gets shafted and how hard if Monkey doesn't win with 40%?
Change my example to Monkey-38% and Kafka-37%. I think the Kafkaphiles would want a runoff, don't you?
Susan W. - Mar 03, 2003 2:38:30 pm PST #6279 of 10001
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I'd rather have some kind of ranked preferences than have run-offs if no choice gets 50% of the vote, because otherwise we'll be voting ALL THE FRICKIN TIME.
Tom Scola - Mar 03, 2003 2:38:43 pm PST #6280 of 10001
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For the simple among us, despite being monkey averse, who gets shafted and how hard if Monkey doesn't win with 40%?
The people whose first and second choices were Kafka and Cheese Man.
§ ita § - Mar 03, 2003 2:39:16 pm PST #6281 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think the Kafkaphiles would want a runoff, don't you?
Me, I wouldn't. But I guess that's what the voting's about.
edit:
The people whose first and second choices were Kafka and Cheese Man.
Except, again, me.
Sure, if I were voting for a world leader, I might, but ... man.
Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 2:39:38 pm PST #6282 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
So, i think what Cindy is saying is that in this case, she believes that Monkey should just win, without a runoff.
If that's true, would you say the same if there were 5 choices and the "winner" received 22%?
The definition of majority is "over 50%". "Most votes" is a plurality. t /pedantic
John H - Mar 03, 2003 2:39:52 pm PST #6283 of 10001
Jon, I can't give change from a dollar with any confidence, so no apology necessary. Can you figure out stuff like 40 and 35 and 25 add up to 100, like, in your head?
We take the ballots of everyone who voted for Cheese Man and resort them based on those ballots second choices.
And does a second-choice vote (I wanted Cheese Man, but hell, if I can't have him then it's Monkey all the way, baby) count as much as a first-choice vote?
Can you do the second stage in detail for us?
Say, if the Cheese voters split 10% Kafka, 15% Monkey?
Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 2:42:49 pm PST #6284 of 10001
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Say, if the Cheese voters split 10% Kafka, 15% Monkey?
Right. Ummm... what were my numbers again. OK:
Monkey keeps its original 40% plus the 15% from Cheese = 55%.
Kafka keeps its original 35% plus the 10% from Cheese = 45%.
Monkey wins! (go monkey. choose monkey.)
Gandalfe - Mar 03, 2003 2:43:40 pm PST #6285 of 10001
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And what if it's 15% Cheeseheads and 10% Monkeymeat?