Jayne: What're you gonna tell the others? Mal: About what? Jayne: About why I'm dead. Mal: Hadn't thought about it. Jayne: Make something up. Don't tell 'em what I did.

'Ariel'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


jengod - Feb 27, 2003 4:26:05 pm PST #5903 of 10001

Also, for the imaginary future ballot we figure this out on... Quorum, defined as the number of vote (not voters) necessary to make a ballot valid, is:

1.) 10
2.) 25
3.) 50
4.) 100
5.) Abstain
6.) Write-in #: X

edit: sorry! was doing some self-editing, to keep things simple! 7) 8) were 5) 6)


Wolfram - Feb 27, 2003 4:27:25 pm PST #5904 of 10001
Visilurking

And options 5) and 6) are butterflied off.

Dammit, the edit ate my punchline.


Typo Boy - Feb 27, 2003 4:28:43 pm PST #5905 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Example where we would want more that two or even three choices:

If we wanted quora, the number that constitutes a quorum. (and for that matter whether we use a number or percentage, and whether we revise the number periodically.)

If we want seconds, a similar question arises.

If we reject majority voting, the size of the super-majority.

The meta-question of how we handle questions which are not subject to a binary yes/no answer. Because there are at lease three possible answers.

A) Plurality

B) run-off

C) preference voting.

So that in itself is a non-binary question.

In short it is extremely likely that during this process we will end up confronting at least one question we can't answer with a single yes or no.


Typo Boy - Feb 27, 2003 4:30:29 pm PST #5906 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And Jengods example above is a perfect case for preference voting.


§ ita § - Feb 27, 2003 4:31:04 pm PST #5907 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You know the thing, with the making people dizzy? I think you're still doing it, FWIW.

I understand the exercise, and the motivation, but if I were coming in to vote now, I'd be more tempted to vote against further voting than I would have been yesterday.


Hil R. - Feb 27, 2003 4:31:20 pm PST #5908 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I was under the impression that thread names were seperate from this process.


Typo Boy - Feb 27, 2003 4:32:37 pm PST #5909 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK shutting up now.


Wolfram - Feb 27, 2003 4:32:47 pm PST #5910 of 10001
Visilurking

I was under the impression that thread names were seperate from this process.

Thread names - yes New threads - no


MayaP - Feb 27, 2003 4:35:31 pm PST #5911 of 10001

Yet another question: if voting is approved, will everything need to go to formal vote? It seems to me that there's something of a hierarchy of "importance" of issues to the community at large, such as, from least to most (is "thread" the right way to describe different folders / conferences / what have you? I'm blanking on what is correct)

Blocking obvious spammers

Changing the blurbs describing a thread

Naming a thread

Changing some policy on an existing thread (ie spoilers)

Creating a new thread

Banning a poster

I'm sure that I'm overlooking some issues that come up; I haven't read Bureaucracy for very long! Anyhow, maybe there should be some consideration (assuming voting passes) of what needs to be voted on, and what can be handled informally, by some consensus-like mechanism? Do you/we really need four days of discussion and three of voting the change the blurb on the front page when "Buffy" ends? Do you even need that much formality for naming Natter 27?

(hmm.. looks like unlurking is adictive.)


Hil R. - Feb 27, 2003 4:36:11 pm PST #5912 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Thread names - yes New threads - no

But wasn't jengod's example, which was just cited as a reason why preference voting would be necessary, thread names?

(OK, looking back, I see that he could have been refering to the quorum number thing. But really, there is no reason to decide that now, since we don't know how the vote went.)