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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


billytea - Feb 24, 2003 3:19:16 pm PST #5265 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Wolfram, what's your suggestion for preventing Bureaucracy getting clogged with endless discussion lobbying?

If endless discussion lobbying is likely to be a genuine problem (I seriously doubt it, myself), better that it be on a messier thread such as this than on a discussion thread created explicitly to avoid that kind of noise.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2003 3:21:02 pm PST #5266 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Cindy, you're missing a closing font tag.

If endless discussion lobbying is likely to be a genuine problem (I seriously doubt it, myself),

Have you *met* the Monkey people? But seriously -- you wouldn't lobby to get a discussion opened once the discussion is open. That's what I was trying to forestall.


Wolfram - Feb 24, 2003 3:22:27 pm PST #5267 of 10001
Visilurking

I second Cindy's motion in its entirety.


Typo Boy - Feb 24, 2003 3:24:12 pm PST #5268 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think the question of email or not is a technical question. We plan to set up a polling system eventually. Until then e-mail is the only available method. I did suggest and intermediate thing we can do - (I would create polls one at a time on the server, which is very simple compared to doing a true polling set up.) But ita pointed out it could cause server load. That means there is no practical alternative to e-mail. So there is no point in voting on e-mail because there is no alternative.


DavidS - Feb 24, 2003 3:24:53 pm PST #5269 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I third Cindy's post.


Typo Boy - Feb 24, 2003 3:26:11 pm PST #5270 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK I'lll forth it. I guess no harm in just yes on e-mail.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2003 3:26:18 pm PST #5271 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

(I would create polls one at a time on the server, which is very simple compared to doing a true polling set up.)

But there'd still need to be HTML, Phoenix compatible additions, error checking, etc. Which is why I vote e-mail all the way, until later.


billytea - Feb 24, 2003 3:26:27 pm PST #5272 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Have you *met* the Monkey people? But seriously -- you wouldn't lobby to get a discussion opened once the discussion is open.

But this isn't true. If not even five people are interested in discussing it, then being allowed to put it on another thread does not open the discussion in any meaningful sense. If they'd clog the bureacracy thread with endless lobbying, they'd have the same need and do the same in the discussion thread.


Cindy - Feb 24, 2003 3:28:04 pm PST #5273 of 10001
Nobody

Regarding item 5

there is no practical alternative to e-mail. So there is no point in voting on e-mail because there is no alternative.

Gar makes a good point. I was composing the motion while meara-ing and something about method caught my eye. But I will be glad to remove item 5 entirely, if it seems like there is agreement (or you know, "agreeance" if you're a rock star).


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2003 3:29:22 pm PST #5274 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Billytea, my idea is hinging on that once it's been opened for discussion, there'll be 4 days of potential discussion, and then nothing else for 6 months to a year. I really want to see that happen for pointless suggestions. Really, a lot. It's the moratorium I'm seeking.

Cindy -- good idea. Who's the tallier for that vote? You? And I agree with the dropping of the vote methodology.