And your response if he insists on being innocent, as anyone in this country has the right to do?
I swear, one of these times, you're gonna wake up in a coma.
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Connie Neil - Jan 27, 2003 2:32:14 pm PST #3658 of 10001
brillig
Wolfram - Jan 27, 2003 2:32:34 pm PST #3659 of 10001
Visilurking
Now this would be a good topic for a politics thread. Civil liberties vs. societal enforcement of community standards.
John H - Jan 27, 2003 2:33:03 pm PST #3660 of 10001
And What Steph Said -- this must be dropped.
I respect your opinions, and Steph's, but "must"?
If it is the guy, he's insulting us every day. Maybe I have an over-developed sense of betrayal, but I hate that idea so much that it will be really hard for me to behave normally around him in threads.
Kristen - Jan 27, 2003 2:34:28 pm PST #3661 of 10001
And What Steph Said -- this must be dropped.
But, clearly, John's not going to drop it. And I don't really feel comfortable dropping my opposition to his stance. Schmoker's playing by the rules. No one will never be able to prove definitively that he is or is not mieskie.
Connie Neil - Jan 27, 2003 2:34:47 pm PST #3662 of 10001
brillig
Betrayal? Because he's making an effort to fit into a community after, as you allege, being stupid in public?
Lyra Jane - Jan 27, 2003 2:37:29 pm PST #3663 of 10001
Up with the sun
I agree, I don't see it as a betrayal. If they're the same person, he's making a choice I would not make in terms of posting where he shouldn't, but he's also contributing to the community. Which is the goal we were trying to reach with the banning, anyhow.
John H - Jan 27, 2003 2:37:33 pm PST #3664 of 10001
your response if he insists on being innocent, as anyone in this country has the right to do?
That was my exact question earlier on. What should we do?
Three people have now asked him directly if he's mieskie.
He's been reminded twice by me that the question has been asked here and he's made no response.
Also, "in this country", connie? Which country?
Because he's making an effort to fit into a community after, as you allege, being stupid in public?
The banning rule says "go away for two months, then come back and everything will be fine".
Allyson - Jan 27, 2003 2:39:08 pm PST #3665 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
John, you're walking a thin line, here. You're harassing this person. He's done nothing wrong.
Connie Neil - Jan 27, 2003 2:39:39 pm PST #3666 of 10001
brillig
Sorry for assuming Americanism, my fault.
If someone insists that they're innocent and there is no substantive evidence to the contrary, we must publically assume he's innocent. If we persist in saying "We don't believe you," we are in the position of having to prove our statement or risk slander. Or merely stubbornness.
Kristen - Jan 27, 2003 2:39:50 pm PST #3667 of 10001
For the sake of argument, let's say that they are the same person and that this person is doing this to get back at us for the banning.
Well, you're handing him the community on a silver platter and telling him to use it as a frisbee. This is rapidly turning into a witch hunt. It's going to get ugly. There will be considerable fallout. And the Buffistas won't be the same place when it's done.
So, yes, by all means, give him that power.