probably was a good idea to get rid of me.

OK. Bye!

Moving on... I've been convinced to switch my vote on the Movies and Music thread idea. Let's do 'em.

probably was a good idea to get rid of me.

Although, apparently, we didn't.

Nah, I'm gone. Just wanted to throw a few posts up here in Admin since I never got the chance to before. Not going to be back once this gets deactivated. Just wanted to defend myself a tad before going. Didn't think you'd mind that much.

I'm not seeing an EC, Jess, though I may if this goes on for much longer.

Michael, you seem like a decent guy in the way you're posting now. I'm sorry this wasn't the right board for you.

'Ki just say? As I read Allyson's post, it was a riff on a joke on the people who kept posting, expecting Joss would read their letters. It was, in no way, utterly and completely serious; and when contextualised as it should be doesn't pass my personal definition of "personal attack".

(a thread which I was never invited to in order respond to any of this, by the way)

For the new folks (or anyone who may be thinking of delurking), please know that no one needs an invitation to post here. This thread is as open to you as any other on the board.

Because ALL of the Phoenix threads are open to ALL members. If you don't know what the purpose of a given thread is, read the FAQ or the thread header, or ask.

Could we add a link to the bureaucracy thread to the short etiquette?

I'm against a thread for music and a thread for movies. As it is, I'm little Ms. Skippy McSkimmerpants. Those of you who find Natter tremendously difficult to deal with are totally heard by me. I totally agree. Though I don't have as much issue with skipping and skimming, I do find the thread incredibly fast posting.

But the thing is, there is natter all over. I haven't really read in FF since The Influx and because without a new episode, it just felt like Natter +. Ditto with other threads.

If you build a music thread or a movie thread, then natter will happen there too. I guess I'm not particularly convinced that it will be any easier for me to keep up with those topical threads than it is for me to keep up with Natter.

You know, everything that mieskie/Michael just posted would be all fine and good, if it was in fact a truthful account of what actually happened. He's now making it seem as though he made all of these bland comments that everyone jumped all over, and that wasn't the case. He didn't just mention MT's breasts in a comparison to SMG. He posted comments about having fantasies about a 17 year old girl, and when told that many found his comments offensive,refused to back down. Instead of apologizing to those he offended, he used the tack of putting everyone on the defensive by saying that other posts were as offensive as his. Well, if that was the case, then why wasn't anyone offended by the comments he was referring to. Let's face it, this isn't a shy bunch of folks. All of these other "offensive" posts he refers to, wouldn't of just slipped through the cracks if they were truly offensive.

There's so much more that I could say, but to take each point that he's discussed and refute it by putting it back into context, seems rather futile at this point. The bottom line to me seems to be not necessarily the content of his posts at this point, but his total lack of consideration for other members of this board. He keeps saying he didn't "intend" this and he didn't "intend" that, but there should have come a point where he realized and accepted the fact that what he was intending wasn't jiving with what he was achieving. People were offended. Whether he thinks they should or shouldn't have been, doesn't change the fact that they were. It also doesn't change the fact that he was made aware of this and basically seemed not to care. To throw in the free speech and Big Brother arguments, to me diverts the attention away from what the real problem was. No one said that he or anyone else didn't have the right to express their thoughts. Anyone here obviously has that right, but certain obligations and responsibilities do and should come with that right. People on a posting board and in real life, despite being protected to a certain extent by the free speech right, do not have carte blanche to say whatever to whomever without being willing to accept the consequences of doing so. While thoughts certainly shouldn't be squashed due to rules and regulations, it's certainly reasonable for people to have to use a certain filtering process in how they express them. One person does not have the right to make the bulk of a community uncomfortable simply because he thinks he has the right to be crass and rude.

To say that his comments were in jest, that he knew he was pissing people off and would continue to do so in the future, and thus was trying to make light of it, to me exemplifies what the problem really was. A person with good intentions who truly wanted to become a part of an existing community, should look to curtailing their behavior in the hopes of not repeating it, not just accept it as a fact and laugh about it.