Ita, I don't.
I'm supposed to deliver you to the Master now. There's this whole deal where I get to be immortal. Are you cool with that?
Xander ,'Lessons'
Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
victor infante - Jan 01, 2003 6:49:22 pm PST #1933 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Mike_P - Jan 01, 2003 6:50:07 pm PST #1934 of 10001
My food is problematic...
Sorry Ita... My ignorance is showing again, isn't it... :)
Steph L. - Jan 01, 2003 6:50:08 pm PST #1935 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism
At least something official here would give an offender a good chance to see that he (or she) is really in official trouble and give them a good chance to defend or clarify their actions, and if after a reasonably short time a conciliatory solution can't be reached then I'm all for banning a complete jerk.
When new users sign up, don't they -- in theory -- see the "Play Nice" information? Which details warning ---> 2-month suspension ---> banning.
Granted, you can't FORCE a new user to read that, but if it's been presented to him/her and he/she (1) didn't read it or (2) read it and ignored it, that's his/her own fault.
And mieskie DID get a public, clearly worded warning in the FF thread. The next step after that was a 2-month suspension, which is what happened next. Every step was followed properly.
t edit x-posty with ita.
§ ita § - Jan 01, 2003 6:50:34 pm PST #1936 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Are you saying you tried to log in and couldn't, or that you don't know the e-mail password? Because we should all be checking it regularly.
victor infante - Jan 01, 2003 6:51:29 pm PST #1937 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I don't know the e-mail password. I think I missed a memo somewhere.
§ ita § - Jan 01, 2003 6:57:39 pm PST #1938 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Expect mail.
victor infante - Jan 01, 2003 6:58:34 pm PST #1939 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Gracias. I have to go edit a review of Phish.
Jon B. - Jan 01, 2003 6:59:32 pm PST #1940 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
f.y.i.: ita's official warning: ita "Firefly 2: You Can't Take the Sky From Me." Dec 26, 2002 7:49:19 pm EST
I have to go edit a review of Phish.
I'm sorry.
DavidS - Jan 01, 2003 7:03:39 pm PST #1941 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
But. You guys have been very clear since back when we were on TT that you do not want a "typical Internet tone." You/We have historically valued kindness extremely highly, and he was told that several times. I don't think the banning was out of place.
I think Lyra Jane's point is very useful here. This is why we had a long discussion about disciplinary procedures before we created the Phoenix board. It was a conscious decision to not make the rules too formal. It was conscious to make the disciplinary process transparent and out in the community.
But most of all it was decided by people who had seen too many favorite communities go down in flames that we would insist on a level of civility rarely fostered in online communities.
Most relevant points have been discussed (and I welcome Mike's contributions here). If I could suggest a few things that we could carry forward from this discussion...
1. List the stompy feet in the FAQ.
2. Note when disciplinary discussions have moved to the Bureaucracy board.
3. Make note in the thread where the offenses have occurred that stomping has gone on.
4. Do what Cindy did - chronicle repeated abuses. Document.
5. The consensus red flags are fairly clear and understood: (1) personal attacks, and (2) unwillingness to change or modify behavior.
We should feel a clench in the stomach to ban or even suspend somebody. It shouldn't be reflexive. However, the Great Buffista Experiment has always posited civility as among the first virtues and (as Lyra Jane noted) we've built this community upon that cornerstone.
DXMachina - Jan 01, 2003 7:07:19 pm PST #1942 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Which reminds me -- admins? You do have access to the admin login -- it has the same password as the e-mail.
I'll be dipped. it works. Should've thought of trying that.