I don't know the e-mail password. I think I missed a memo somewhere.
I could squeeze you until you popped like warm champagne, and you'd beg me to hurt you just a little bit more.
Fuffy ,'Storyteller'
Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
victor infante - Jan 01, 2003 6:51:29 pm PST #1937 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
§ ita § - Jan 01, 2003 6:57:39 pm PST #1938 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Expect mail.
victor infante - Jan 01, 2003 6:58:34 pm PST #1939 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Gracias. I have to go edit a review of Phish.
Jon B. - Jan 01, 2003 6:59:32 pm PST #1940 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
f.y.i.: ita's official warning: ita "Firefly 2: You Can't Take the Sky From Me." Dec 26, 2002 7:49:19 pm EST
I have to go edit a review of Phish.
I'm sorry.
DavidS - Jan 01, 2003 7:03:39 pm PST #1941 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
But. You guys have been very clear since back when we were on TT that you do not want a "typical Internet tone." You/We have historically valued kindness extremely highly, and he was told that several times. I don't think the banning was out of place.
I think Lyra Jane's point is very useful here. This is why we had a long discussion about disciplinary procedures before we created the Phoenix board. It was a conscious decision to not make the rules too formal. It was conscious to make the disciplinary process transparent and out in the community.
But most of all it was decided by people who had seen too many favorite communities go down in flames that we would insist on a level of civility rarely fostered in online communities.
Most relevant points have been discussed (and I welcome Mike's contributions here). If I could suggest a few things that we could carry forward from this discussion...
1. List the stompy feet in the FAQ.
2. Note when disciplinary discussions have moved to the Bureaucracy board.
3. Make note in the thread where the offenses have occurred that stomping has gone on.
4. Do what Cindy did - chronicle repeated abuses. Document.
5. The consensus red flags are fairly clear and understood: (1) personal attacks, and (2) unwillingness to change or modify behavior.
We should feel a clench in the stomach to ban or even suspend somebody. It shouldn't be reflexive. However, the Great Buffista Experiment has always posited civility as among the first virtues and (as Lyra Jane noted) we've built this community upon that cornerstone.
DXMachina - Jan 01, 2003 7:07:19 pm PST #1942 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Which reminds me -- admins? You do have access to the admin login -- it has the same password as the e-mail.
I'll be dipped. it works. Should've thought of trying that.
Noumenon - Jan 01, 2003 8:00:36 pm PST #1943 of 10001
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti
most of us are unaware of any backchannel Admin/Mieskie stuff that went on.
Was there any besides the letter DX sent along with the suspension? Official Stomping should be noted in Bureaucracy, like ita did when she first warned him. I would have liked to see the text of the e-mail, too, or use a standard warning.
§ ita § - Jan 01, 2003 8:03:59 pm PST #1944 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The text of the e-mail is in the Firefly thread, Noumenon.
And if there was back-channel, I wasn't in on it.
Nilly - Jan 01, 2003 8:05:42 pm PST #1945 of 10001
Swouncing
Lyra Jane - Jan 01, 2003 8:06:44 pm PST #1946 of 10001
Up with the sun
I do think there is such a thing as a core Buffisita.
Agreed agreed agreed. I think when I sometimes say I feel like a peripheral Buffista, what I mean is that I'm not part of the core. But as so many of y'all have said, you ARE what you FEEL like, and if any lurkers think of themselves as Buffistas because they read here, they are one, if only in their hearts.
From Hec:
1. List the stompy feet in the FAQ.
2. Note when disciplinary discussions have moved to the Bureaucracy board.
3. Make note in the thread where the offenses have occurred that stomping has gone on.
4. Do what Cindy did - chronicle repeated abuses. Document.
5. The consensus red flags are fairly clear and understood: (1) personal attacks, and (2) unwillingness to change or modify behavior.All of this is seconded. I'd also like to suggest that (4) become part of our official procedure -- when someone is warned, a post in bureaucracy is made linking to their offensive posts. Oh, and from the etiquette, Stompy Foot item:
and they having smiting capability
Ouch. This should be "they have." Sorry.