Sooner or later, you're gonna want it. And the second — the second — that happens, you know I'll be there. I'll slip in, have myself a real good day.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Betsy HP - Dec 26, 2002 9:16:20 pm PST #1497 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

three did and three thought you were hilarious?

Then I figure we shrug and deal for awhile.


Jesse - Dec 26, 2002 9:16:36 pm PST #1498 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah, the community isn't defined as who paid, it's defined as who contributes. Which includes all kinds of people who've contributed their words and thoughts and etc. as well as the people who contributed their money. There are lurkers who paid, and they'd have a hard time speaking up against someone rude, just because most people wouldn't know their names.


John H - Dec 26, 2002 9:17:17 pm PST #1499 of 10001

I don't think the Buffistas that sent money have more rights than the ones that didn't. That's not all that building the board is about.

Aha, that may have been the objection that was raised, yes.

Here's my counter-argument. My contribution was on behalf of both me and [insert name here] who couldn't afford it, but was around back then.


§ ita § - Dec 26, 2002 9:18:23 pm PST #1500 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Me, I didn't pay. Sure, spurious what with the coding, but still.

If we were selling rights (or trading them for work), we should have said up front.

As a Stompy, I'm torn. I do not want to be argued with when action is called for. And I don't want to be where all the decision lies.

That having been said, I think the Stompy Foot mix is sufficient that the Most Sensitive Common Denominator is a good guide.


John H - Dec 26, 2002 9:19:40 pm PST #1501 of 10001

three did and three thought you were hilarious?

Then I figure we shrug and deal for awhile.

And, of course, we discuss it here like adults.


Jesse - Dec 26, 2002 9:19:49 pm PST #1502 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

There are also people who've come around recently who are clearly respected members of the community. It's not even about longevity. The fact is, we do know it when we see it, and we are wary about stomping with our feet on people, and we give people the benefit of the doubt, and then we have a procedure. If the stompy feet can't agree to give someone a warning, well, we'll cross that bridge if we come to it.


Sue - Dec 26, 2002 9:23:07 pm PST #1503 of 10001
hip deep in pie

I've noticed that things have calmed down there since the focus has turned back to the show, and away from the Natter. I hope staying on topic helps. (Catching up in the thread it has read like a strange, through-the-looking-glass Natter where everyone was nattering to avoid the trollage.)

BTW, I think the actions taken were appropriate and I was glad to see the warning.


John H - Dec 26, 2002 9:24:45 pm PST #1504 of 10001

we do know it when we see it

This is our policy in a nutshell, isn't it? "We know it when we see it, and we know who 'we' are"?


Betsy HP - Dec 26, 2002 9:29:50 pm PST #1505 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Yip.


plasmo - Dec 26, 2002 9:33:12 pm PST #1506 of 10001
{[-_-]}

In my experience, this can be troublesome. People change over time. What if a longstanding member becomes increasingly offensive over time? Other long-termers may not become offended because they are gradually exposed to a persona overtime. But if a newbie did the same thing, people might find it offensive.

Not trying to be problematic throwing this out there.. but have run into just this situation on another forum and I don't know what the solution is. We made the mistake of giving someone leeway for too long, and ended up really dividing the board by trying to achieve both transparency in moderating, and respect for longtermers.