I think it was a volume thing, evil jimi. The Smallville traffic is not only pretty horrendous, its volume drowns out things near it.

While there's probably more respect for Farscape among Buffistas, I don't know if there's the sort of critical mass of discussion that could support what grew to three threads on the Smallville case.

edit: Right -- Due South. It's all about the Ho Yay!

Politics is also a very different beast than, say, a new show, or even a general movies thread. I'm much more likely to change my opinion of a person based on whether he approves of John Ashcroft's stomping on the Bill of Rights than on whether she thinks Kristen Kreuk can act. Many more opportunities for flame-age, for troll-attract-age, for bad feeling-age. I'm with the nay-age.

ETA -- I came in very late to this discussion, didn't I? Sorry if I'm restating the obvious.

A thought occurs to me now as I contemplate the demise of The 11th Hour.

Another possible thrust for the Buffistas would be to reverse the usual dynamic: content board, with discussion boards attached. So we start as a discussion board, then create content (that is, longer articles etc.).

I'm just kicking it around. I've enjoyed things like The 11th Hour and especially their quirky survey articles, and Omar's Smallville Recaps on TWOP. We've discussed creating a backlog of Anyas as a kind of Snarky Cliff Notes Guide to Buffy and Angel. It might be nice to create a space for us to write about genre shows within Phoenix. Of course, we could always just throw up some links, but I'm thinking of something that would exist within the community.

Actually, there is already a lot of good content being generated by Buffistae, so I could definitely see us eventually putting out a little something. And despite the glaring evidence to the contrary, I really didn't mean that to sound quite so porny.

Maybe this could combine with the politics thing. We cou ld have a Buffista on-line zine to which critiques of shows, movies, books, politics, social issue whatever could be submitted . Only Buffistas could submit (participants only or lurkers as well?). Someone would act as editor, accpeting, rejecting or sending back for rewrite.

Hell, ita has always been the Buffista to whom I would most like to submit.

Hell, ita has always been the Buffista to whom I would most like to submit.

Ple's got my vote.

Another possible thrust for the Buffistas would be to reverse the usual dynamic: content board, with discussion boards attached. So we start as a discussion board, then create content (that is, longer articles etc.).

Consuela and Dana have already written pieces of this nature, on genre TV, that are on a site similar to 11th Hour. We *certainly* have the resources here to create such writing. We also have editors here, and people who can make it all look pretty.

We're well beyond just a Jossverse-driven community by now, IMO.

Is it a community primarily focused on the Jossiverse shows, or has it already expanded into something which (like Literary Buffistas) wants to discuss other topics within this community.

I tend to think both are true. The primary focus is still the Jossverse, but the relative weights between Joss and non-Joss have been steadily changing for some time. Which is good, because it bodes well for longer-term survival.

Which also means that I don’t feel a need to force the issue. Natural growth from a broad consensus of Buffista interest will work fine, IMO.

Politics is also a very different beast than, say, a new show, or even a general movies thread. I'm much more likely to change my opinion of a person based on whether he approves of John Ashcroft's stomping on the Bill of Rights than on whether she thinks Kristen Kreuk can act. Many more opportunities for flame-age, for troll-attract-age, for bad feeling-age. I'm with the nay-age.

ITA. I don’t mind it being discussed in Natter, interestingly, because I think the awareness that the thread is not politics-specific, that there are other people reading aside from those interested in the discussion, and the topic could be changed at any moment, act as a constraint on antisocial behaviour. I’m probably just funny like that.

Meanwhile, I’m kind of tickled that I got a post deleted and yet the last one (where the on-topic thing was a blatant warding of the Evil Eye) got to stay.

The weird thing about the "shall we feature content" discussion is that all the boards elsewhere are an attempt to Build Community as an add-on to a content site, which is really a way to Make People Keep Coming Back, and indeed Make People Keep Hitting Refresh, so that you get more hits and more ad views.

The board is an add-on to the content, in other words. It's a fascinating idea that content could spring out of the boards.

It's a fascinating idea that content could spring out of the boards.

We've already done this a little bit with the filk site and the Buff Dive site, plus there have been articley type things like Brian's article on Vampire Ecology and Dana's analysis of OMWF. I think it's a great idea. I know of at least two people who found us through the filk site (I even met one of them tonight).