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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Steph L. - Sep 20, 2002 7:05:13 pm PDT #123 of 10001
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Another possible thrust for the Buffistas would be to reverse the usual dynamic: content board, with discussion boards attached. So we start as a discussion board, then create content (that is, longer articles etc.).

Consuela and Dana have already written pieces of this nature, on genre TV, that are on a site similar to 11th Hour. We *certainly* have the resources here to create such writing. We also have editors here, and people who can make it all look pretty.

We're well beyond just a Jossverse-driven community by now, IMO.


billytea - Sep 20, 2002 9:51:16 pm PDT #124 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Is it a community primarily focused on the Jossiverse shows, or has it already expanded into something which (like Literary Buffistas) wants to discuss other topics within this community.

I tend to think both are true. The primary focus is still the Jossverse, but the relative weights between Joss and non-Joss have been steadily changing for some time. Which is good, because it bodes well for longer-term survival.

Which also means that I don’t feel a need to force the issue. Natural growth from a broad consensus of Buffista interest will work fine, IMO.

Politics is also a very different beast than, say, a new show, or even a general movies thread. I'm much more likely to change my opinion of a person based on whether he approves of John Ashcroft's stomping on the Bill of Rights than on whether she thinks Kristen Kreuk can act. Many more opportunities for flame-age, for troll-attract-age, for bad feeling-age. I'm with the nay-age.

ITA. I don’t mind it being discussed in Natter, interestingly, because I think the awareness that the thread is not politics-specific, that there are other people reading aside from those interested in the discussion, and the topic could be changed at any moment, act as a constraint on antisocial behaviour. I’m probably just funny like that.

Meanwhile, I’m kind of tickled that I got a post deleted and yet the last one (where the on-topic thing was a blatant warding of the Evil Eye) got to stay.


John H - Sep 20, 2002 10:19:06 pm PDT #125 of 10001

The weird thing about the "shall we feature content" discussion is that all the boards elsewhere are an attempt to Build Community as an add-on to a content site, which is really a way to Make People Keep Coming Back, and indeed Make People Keep Hitting Refresh, so that you get more hits and more ad views.

The board is an add-on to the content, in other words. It's a fascinating idea that content could spring out of the boards.


DXMachina - Sep 20, 2002 10:48:46 pm PDT #126 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

It's a fascinating idea that content could spring out of the boards.

We've already done this a little bit with the filk site and the Buff Dive site, plus there have been articley type things like Brian's article on Vampire Ecology and Dana's analysis of OMWF. I think it's a great idea. I know of at least two people who found us through the filk site (I even met one of them tonight).


Fiona - Sep 21, 2002 2:47:34 am PDT #127 of 10001

I don't want to be the Voice of Doom here, but one thing to bear in mind: the bigger and more diverse Buffistas.org gets, sooner or later the issue of funding will raise its head. And I'd hate for this community to break up because of something so profane as money.

It's probably just worth considering. If things are handled right it may not be a problem. But I'm sure it's one of the reasons why other sites like 11th Hr. and (I think?) TWoP are closing down.


Jesse - Sep 21, 2002 9:24:43 am PDT #128 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

We don't have any paid staff, obviously, so I guess the question is how much can we grow and stay all-volunteer? When does the workload become too great for people to handle at work/in their free time?


DavidS - Sep 21, 2002 9:35:27 am PDT #129 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

We don't have any paid staff, obviously, so I guess the question is how much can we grow and stay all-volunteer? When does the workload become too great for people to handle at work/in their free time?

From an organizational standpoint, our big weakness is that we're dependent on ita. Should she take a world tour with some buff brilliant krav kickboxing coder stud, we'd be left hanging. The answer, of course, is for force John and Gud to learn PHP more faster. Well, Typo Boy knows PHP too, so that's a plus.


P.M. Marc - Sep 21, 2002 9:46:25 am PDT #130 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

We have a lot of people here who either know some PHP, or could pick it up right quick.

Isn't Jon B one of the code warriors as well?


Jesse - Sep 21, 2002 9:47:43 am PDT #131 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think we have PHP interns in Shrift and Amych (?) as well.


amych - Sep 21, 2002 9:48:36 am PDT #132 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Jon B is another code guy. And I know that both Shrift and I are learning PHP now. And that's just people who have spoken up lately. We'll have it covered if we need it.