Hey! What do you two think you're doing? Fightin' at a time like this. You'll use up all the air!

Jayne ,'Out Of Gas'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Polter-Cow - Jan 22, 2012 6:26:57 pm PST #9522 of 9843
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I keep wanting to refer to the writer as Moffat, but IIRC he didn't write that episode.

He did.

And I agree with everything you've said.


P.M. Marc - Jan 22, 2012 10:51:28 pm PST #9523 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I do think part of Moffat made her a gay pro dom partly because in his id, that's like, the ideal woman.

(Hey, Lesbian Spank Inferno WAS based on a true story. I'm just saying.)

Both characters disdained sexual attraction, he because it's a distraction to his work, and she because it IS work.

Hmm. I don't see her disdaining the sexual attraction, though. Only when she was explicitly not being honest. But I do see the sexual attraction as part and parcel of the intellectual attraction there. It's the flip side of Moriarty in ways I will attempt to articulate with less wine in my system.


P.M. Marc - Jan 22, 2012 10:52:31 pm PST #9524 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

(I, umm. Sometimes suspect Moffat and I share an id. And we call it Jeff.)


Zenkitty - Jan 22, 2012 10:58:27 pm PST #9525 of 9843
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I do think part of Moffat made her a gay pro dom partly because in his id, that's like, the ideal woman.

I was gonna say, he's not the only one.


Sue - Jan 23, 2012 3:52:50 am PST #9526 of 9843
hip deep in pie

(I, umm. Sometimes suspect Moffat and I share an id. And we call it Jeff.)

HA! And, oh dear.


§ ita § - Jan 23, 2012 4:41:42 am PST #9527 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Moffat has already done the heavy lifting required for me to not give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to writing women. They come off better onscreen than they do in his interviews, but when it comes to filling in the cracks and answering questions, I remember shit like this:

"There’s this issue you’re not allowed to discuss: that women are needy. Men can go for longer, more happily, without women. That’s the truth. We don’t, as little boys, play at being married - we try to avoid it for as long as possible. Meanwhile women are out there hunting for husbands."

So it colours my interpretation of the Irenes of the world. It can't not.


P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 7:39:13 am PST #9528 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Apparently, that particular quote was taken out of actual context.

Me, my Moffat memory is always going to be the whole bimbos in miniskirts thing from his Usenet days.


§ ita § - Jan 23, 2012 7:45:53 am PST #9529 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you have the larger context? I'd be interested to see how that's mitigated with other words.


P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 8:11:26 am PST #9530 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Do you have the larger context? I'd be interested to see how that's mitigated with other words.

Someone amended a rant on it with it at one point recently, but I can't get to it from here. The apparent context was him speaking about character POVs in Coupling, rather than his own personal POV.

Not that he doesn't say utterly stupid things on a regular basis. I just think that he writes complex women better than almost any other male writer, despite himself.


amyth - Jan 23, 2012 8:17:25 am PST #9531 of 9843
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

The interview: [link]