Oh, and Plei, may I tag "you can be kind and still scheme. These are not mutually exclusive" ? Pretty please?

There's a Holmes vs. Dracula novel? Of course there is.

Yeah, and I found it kind of meh. Not enough Dracula for my tastes. But if I have to chose between Sherlock and Dracula, I'm going for the guy with the fangs. (Story of my life.)

Yes, yes you may.

One of the more interesting readings, by the way, that I've seen of the final scene and Mycroft's conversation with John in the cafe, is that part of the reason he's so certain she's actually dead is that he had a hand in putting her into that situation.

But it's had many many iterations and was almost constantly in play in movies/tv/comic strips/comic books for 80 years.

But they weren't revisited in the same way that Sherlock Holmes or Dracula is. The constant movies were essentially one franchise, though without the stricture we nerds apply today. Outside of that within my viewing lifetime, there's been one TV show, one live action movie, and one cartoon? And not that recently.

Not that it's not a well-visited trope. Just that it's not comparably visited. There's always a Dracula somewhere.

it places the death of Holmes at a date before His Last Bow, which is canon-canon and all.

That's unfortunate. If they're gonna meddle with the death date, I'd rather go with the way King pushes everything forward into the 1920s.

Plei, that is interesting. I can't imagine that he would tell John that she was dead and not expect Sherlock to figure it out, whatever other factors were in play.

I like the theory that Mycroft and Sherlock conspired to get her away from the terrorists, and now she's working for Mycroft. Mycroft tells John the cover story to let Sherlock know what info has gotten into general circulation, and so John can inadvertently help get it there. [I read this somewhere on Tumblr, and, like most things Tumblr, I doubt I'll ever be able to find it again for linking. Sorry.]

Oh, and to the terrorism point, we're watching a show where the title character was willing to give up state secrets for his flatmate, where the flatmate killed for the title character when they'd barely met, and where the brother of the title character does all sorts of cheerfully dubious things for king and country, and where no one has hands that are especially clean.

I have scores of theories on those last two scenes.

But they weren't revisited in the same way that Sherlock Holmes or Dracula is. The constant movies were essentially one franchise, though without the stricture we nerds apply today. Outside of that within my viewing lifetime, there's been one TV show, one live action movie, and one cartoon? And not that recently.

From wikipedia: "The Internet Movie Database lists 89 movies with Tarzan in the title between 1918 and 2008."

So, a lot.

There were silent versions, the famous Weissmuller versions, Lex Barker's five RKO movies from the late forties to early fifties, the late fifties to mid-sixties version with Gordon Scott (which ran for six films) then Mike Henry continued that franchise up to '68, the Ron Ely TV series in the late sixties (two seasons but rerun constantly in to the seventies), Christopher Lambert's Greystoke in the 80s, two radio shows, stage versions. Several cartoon TV variations. There have been many many international variations on Tarzan too.

It's one of the most famous and long running adventure comics of all-time first with Hal Foster, then with Burne Hogarth and Russ Manning. The Kubert comic version is (in my opinion) one of the definitive treatments and one of the best comic runs of the 70s.

The original books have never been out of print.

Holmes has had ups and downs in his popularity too. The Holmes franchise had a weird little bump when it came into public domain and things like Murder by Decree and The 7 Percent Solution came out, but it was largely fallow until Jeremy Brett's version. And then again it was quiet until the RDJ movie version.

After the Disney animated movie, there were two direct-to-DVD sequels, and there was a spinoff animated TV show. There was a live action TV show as recently as 2003. And it's currently being worked up for a movie trilogy.

You're really underestimating the unceasing ubiquity of Tarzan-ness.

You're really underestimating the unceasing ubiquity of Tarzan-ness

I am. Because it's not in my face. Which is the entirety of my point. Sherlock Holmes has been in my face constantly since House started. The actual Tarzan name doesn't have the same common presence right now.