Cordelia: You're him. You're Angel's son. Connor: It's not like I got to choose.

'Hell Bound'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Fiona - May 08, 2010 6:31:25 am PDT #8941 of 9843

AtoA: Farewell then, Viv, we hardly knew you.

I do like the way they've "brought back" Sam. The actor even has some of John Simm's edginess .


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - May 08, 2010 11:53:21 am PDT #8942 of 9843
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Fiona: You think he really is Sam, then? I wasn't sure. But then, I expect that's the point!


Fiona - May 08, 2010 9:01:43 pm PDT #8943 of 9843

I have no idea whether or not he "IS" Sam; I agree the point is that we're supposed to be as unsure as Alex. I was just saying that I like the way the actor resembles John Simm physically a little bit, it makes it all work better .


Typo Boy - May 11, 2010 7:51:25 am PDT #8944 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

From here in the U.S. the UK election is somewhat confusing. Are the Liberal Democrats at least going to get a referendum on PR out of a Tory-Libdem coalition? If so will the Tories be the one to phrase the question? Also, is the choice of allying with Tories rather than Labor really being made essentially out of personal spite?


Tom Scola - May 11, 2010 8:26:05 am PDT #8945 of 9843
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

It looks like a Tory/LibDem announcement is imminent, Typo.


Jars - May 11, 2010 10:57:05 am PDT #8946 of 9843

It looks like the LibDems will get an Alternative Vote referendum out of the Tories, which wouldn't dent the Tory vote as much as a Single Transferable Vote system would.

Not sure about the spite thing- there was no love lost between Clegg and Brown, but now that Brown has stepped down that's less of an issue. I think the major issue is that the Tories got the most votes and so have more of a mandate than than Labour, so that's a factor in why the LibDems are talking to them at all, when their policies are so disparate.

I think the main issue is that the Lib Dems are kind of screwed eitehr way - they go into power with the Tories and there's no way they'll move forward on a referendum for STV, in my opinion. But the can't really join a Labour coalition because it will barely be a majority government and there's enough Labour backbenchers opposed to PR that a vote for a referendum would never pass.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - May 11, 2010 11:15:05 am PDT #8947 of 9843
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

I thought the ideological gulf between the Tories and the Lib Dems would prevent them reaching a deal. Seems I was entirely wrong. Bugger it.


Jars - May 11, 2010 11:24:04 am PDT #8948 of 9843

So did I, Seska. There's a loop in my head screaming "Don't do it! Don't do it!" The only thing they're both in favour of is scrapping the third runway, from what I can see.

I kind of am hoping that the Lib Dems just don't support anyone, let the Tories form a minority government and have another election in 6 months with David Milliband as Labour leader, at which point Labour would probably stand a better chance in a coalition with Lib Dem. But I don't see it happening.


Typo Boy - May 11, 2010 11:31:15 am PDT #8949 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I gather that by Alternative Vote, what is intended is the same as Australia uses for their lower house, what in the U.S. is called instant run-off?

So you still have single member districts, but then you name your first, second etc choices? And then if nobody wins the constituency with an outright majority in essence a formula figures out who would have won a run-off based on 2nd choice, 3rd choice and so on?


Jars - May 11, 2010 11:31:54 am PDT #8950 of 9843

Argh I'm puking a bit in my mouth at the pictures of the Cameronbot in no. 10.

I've got my eye on you, Cambot, you oily entitled little gob.